Why are summoners so neglected?

[Rysir]

It IS summoning. In FFXIV. Maybe in X or XI it wouldn't but in XIV it is.


The summoning everyone seems to want is Strategy #1. The most dangerous kind of summoning to FFXIV univere

The summoning everyone wants is what ninja literally does which is not dangerous at all. Thus why people are upset.

[Magic-Mal]

The summoning everyone wants is what ninja literally does which is not dangerous at all. Thus why people are upset.

Yeah it is O.o. Remember going to Xelphatol to stop the Ixal from summoning Garuda? Garuda, who was only summoned for 5secs then poof? It was dangerous for the environment.

[Rysir]

Yeah it is O.o. Remember going to Xelphatol to stop the Ixal from summoning Garuda? Garuda, who was only summoned for 5secs then poof? It was dangerous for the environment.

So you mean to tell me that a summoner cannot use their aether for a burst attack rather than consistent summon is dangerous and a big no no yet a ninja and their mudra magic can do it all willy nilly just cuz they can?

Crystal summoning yes that is confirmed to hell and back in lore as bad. The summoner's current method is arcanima which is mathmatic symbol summoning which is not bad. They can easily write the lore that summoners trade a persistent entity for a strong burst attack without killing themselves.

[Airget]

So you mean to tell me that a summoner cannot use their aether for a burst attack rather than consistent summon is dangerous and a big no no yet a ninja and their mudra magic can do it all willy nilly just cuz they can?

Crystal summoning yes that is confirmed to hell and back in lore as bad. The summoner's current method is arcanima which is mathmatic symbol summoning which is not bad. They can easily write the lore that summoners trade a persistent entity for a strong burst attack without killing themselves.

You're comparing a split second summoning to do 1 attack to a job which is capable of keeping a pet out for an indefinite period of time and attack with them.

Actually let me add to that, if you haven't done the lv 50 NIN job quest, or was it 45, can't recall, but spoiler, we do see aspects of "Summoning jutsu" being performed by the antagonist which causes them to summon voidsent to attack us. So the lore has been there since they were released in the 2.X series to have some form of summoning.

[Rysir]

You're comparing a split second summoning to do 1 attack to a job which is capable of keeping a pet out for an indefinite period of time and attack with them.

Im comparing a summoning attack to a job that summons an auto attack. Which is the key issue since we didnt get summoner in the fashion of: Summon this big creature to do an attack because it was "too hard" along with other excuses and then they proceed to give a non summoner job that very type of attack.

What we could have had:
Summon garuda- wind elemental attack that deals damage and applies bio
Summon ifrit- fire elemental attack that deals damage and reduces damage dealt
Summon titan- earth elemental attack that deals damage and reduces defense

Or even if they were bent on keeping a persistent summon we could have carbuncle at all times but reduce its potency and have summons I listed and more as traditional call in summons.

With one move ninja performed a more classic summoning that summoner itself cant do.

[Magic-Mal]

so NIN can summon frogs?

Exactly because as far as we know the toad isn't a Primal. Primals, crystals or not, sap aether. Summoning a Garuda like the Xelphatol boss absolutely does.

Trances and Egis don't. That's literally why you use those instead.

Please just stop with all the lore straw man debate. Lore is used to explain game play mechanics, not the other way around.

Or how about we not and also not change a class that is the current most popular job in the game because a minority can't accept it for what it is?

SMN isn't a joke like the adamantoise. You don't just say "screw lore". Or else nothing in this game would ever make sense. Screw lore? Okay. Let me use an axe as SMN. And Dual Swords as DRG.

Also the game mechanics are fine. Hence, most popular job in the game

[ADVSS]

Exactly because as far as we know the toad isn't a Primal. Primals, crystals or not, sap aether. Summoning a Garuda like the Xelphatol boss absolutely does.

Trances and Egis don't. That's literally why you use those instead.

forgive me, but so summoners couldnmt... summon like golem, sylph, etc? theyre lesser summons in the ff qoeld, but theyre not primals in this game

[Magic-Mal]

forgive me, but so summoners couldnmt... summon like golem, sylph, etc? theyre lesser summons in the ff qoeld, but theyre not primals in this game

In FFXIV summoners are Primal related. A golem is sentient life so it can't be summoned unless it's a Primal golem. Sylphs are people. They can't be summoned.

Voidsent can be summoned but not by summoners. They aren't Primals. Not the same effect. But you know? We could summon voidsent. It won't be Primal or Primal related though.