SE Please add jump and swiming

[irongripz]

So what one person personally find immersion is also what another find? I guess all humans like and dislike the same things? We're all the same people, right?

I find programming fun, do you? I also find spending 3 days with a lack of sleep for the final push on a project the most exhilarating, do you?

I personally find eastern fantasies a lot more in depth than I do western, with the exception of Lord of the Rings, I feel more immersed in Chinese, Norse and Japanese fantasy and mythology than I do in western, you feel the same, yes? Or do you happen to find fantasies like Lord of the Rings more immersive than the events of Ragnarok or Sun Wukong (Journey to the West)?

how bout you troll with a lil more emotion, or stop throwing bait around. i seriously hope your not a moderator @ ffxivcore, when you purposly derail topics to suit your opinions.

[Zaireeka2025]

I played Ultima Online as well, it survived many years without a jump button.

Yes. And my father used to be fine without the Internet. Your point?

Ultima Online was released in 1997 dude. Nineteen Ninety Seven.

[Zaireeka2025]

2011 - It is stated you're not allowed to like a video game for your own reasons, you have to like it based on standards - Otherwise you're only "fooling yourself to like it."

Your newly edited sig only proves to us how closed-minded you are. You're stuck in the past and only your standards prevail. Good luck with that.

[Jynx]

Your newly edited sig only proves to us how closed-minded you are. You're stuck in the past and only your standards prevail. Good luck with that.

Are you the kind of guy who doesn't buy a game becausse your favorite reviewer gave it a bad score, despite all knowledge that you probably enjoy it?

I don't see the issue with having your onw standards about what is fun for you...

[irongripz]

..Which is also what the other side of the argument is basically stating, thus why we just let the developers do their thing and if they succeed or fail, it's how it is in this industry.

No it not at all and your assumption is asinine. with out jump we have NO OPTION. with it you HAVE A OPTION. see the difference? judging by all you post you probably wont.

there is only one side trying to limit them options. thus only one side tailoring the game to a single persons idea, the other side is open to different options.

course there is the third group that you forgot about, those who want a half jump that is more like how you use open does now.

[Jynx]

No it not at all and your assumption is asinine. with out jump we have NO OPTION. with it you HAVE A OPTION. see the difference? judging by all you post you probably wont.

Is that really a "Option" though? Personally I don't think it's much of one. If we want to play the whole game we have no other option than to jump. So I wouldn't call it a option in how you seem to view it, we have to limit outselves to opt out of a choice.

[Shipp]

I better fire my writers then.

Why would I or you care what the majority wants? You should be telling the developers what you think would make the game fun for you, not for everyone else. They are perfectly capable of telling the devs themselves.

I don't care one way or the other. Though I see the addition of jump far outweighing the "no jumping allowed" crowd.

Add Jump:
Group 1: They want jump and will use it.
Group 2: They don't want jump and don't have to use it.

Nothing is being taken away.

Don't add jump:
Group 1: They want jump for whatever reason, they don't get jump.
Group 2: They don't want jump and they don't get jump.

You have now just limited one group and there is no compromise.

[DeadRiser]

Funny how this fight is going on forever.

They should add it in my opinion. Can add some flavor to dungeons, some depth, and add other things from jump.

Don't care if they don't, but it'd be a cool thing to have in 2.0

[Shipp]

Is that really a "Option" though? Personally I don't think it's much of one. If we want to play the whole game we have no other option than to jump. So I wouldn't call it a option in how you seem to view it, we have to limit outselves to opt out of a choice.

If it is purely an aesthetic feature, yes, it is an option. You don't have to use it.

If it is a gameplay mechanic which certain encounters are designed around, then you can be bad and not use it, or finally get used to it.

Option one is a compromise, though that's not good enough for the non-jump crowd, because they -HAVE- to have it their way. So when the compromise is reached, they complain that it shouldn't be added unless it adds to mechanics. Then they complain that they don't want it to be added to mechanics.

That's not a compromise. That's crying to get your way.

[Jynx]

You have now just limited one group and there is no compromise.

Hence why this is such a big issue to both sides, it's a limitation to one side or the other. It's a matter of preference and no right or wrong side of the fence, even middle ground isn't "Wrong"