EU Confirmed as 3rd Rate Customer

[Masekase_Hurricane]

however you want to defend it:

NA players got a free transfer away from the EU servers when they relocated the EU servers. this relocation leaded to higher a ping for NA players, wich were playing on EU servers. these NA players have known from the beginning that they are playing on EU servers.

now EU players don't get a free transfer away from the NA servers when they relocate them. this relocation will lead to a higher ping for EU players, wich are playing on NA servers. these EU players have known from the beginning that they are playing on NA servers.

it's exactly the same situation. NA players got a free transfer, EU players don't.

Although I agree with this not being fair that aside. The EU servers have been listed as lower pings from the very start, even prior to the EU data centre going live. Everyone also got the option for a free transfer coming from 1.0 - 2.0, as none of the servers were designated by area or they were shifted around can't quite remember exactly.

Why would you even expect to get a good ping on NA servers or even expect it to stay decent?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

No, they're not to blame at all. I already outlined it in my previous post but it's well worth repeating. European players who started the game before the European servers were created would have - understandably - invested a lot of time, effort and social networking to lead them to become rather comfortable on their server of choice. Adding European servers may have lured some people over there but there's still a decent number of European players who did not move over. You're expecting them to pay a real life fee as well as to sacrifice most of their acquired gil due to transfer limitations and a house if they're lucky enough to own one. In addition, you expect them to also abandon any established social networks and commitments.

The servers were designated EU from the launch of 2.0, and players on legacy servers were able to freely transfer to Ragnarok at the time. Those that chose to stay on non EU designated worlds made their beds then.

[Theodric]

The servers were designated EU from the launch of 2.0, and players on legacy servers were able to freely transfer to Ragnarok at the time. Those that chose to stay on non EU designated worlds made their beds then.

No, you - along with a few other posters flocking to this thread - are just deliberately ignoring the complications that exist. It's not a cut and dry matter and more could have been done to resolve the problem in advance. The irony is that looking at the post history of those pointing fingers shows that when a problem affects them, directly, they're amongst the first to kick up a fuss about it. It's interesting how that works, isn't it?

[Kosmos992k]

That's a dumb argument because the same applies to NA players who were sitting on Chaos at the time.

They've set the precedent, the same reasoning they used for the precedent applies now so it is not at all unreasonable to expect them to offer free transfers again. There is one and ONLY one argument to be made in favor of the lack of transfers and that is that the increase in latency might not be noticeable, because the servers aren't moving far.

That one argument is valid. Everything else is idiots being idiots. And I have no respect for idiots, regardless of where they come from.

I wasn't making an argument, I was stating from what I remembered from the EU Data center. You provided a link that clarified it. So thank you.

Good grief, why is everyone around here so aggressive?

Every westener is a third rate consumer for Square Enix

Westerner? Really?

[era1Ne]

No, you - along with a few other posters flocking to this thread - are just deliberately ignoring the complications that exist. It's not a cut and dry matter and more could have been done to resolve the problem in advance. The irony is that looking at the post history of those pointing fingers shows that when a problem affects them, directly, they're amongst the first to kick up a fuss about it. It's interesting how that works, isn't it?

I would say the same, if the situations where reversed. Let me ask you this, who made the decision to stay in US despite having the option to transfer the EU datacenter? Who made the decision to create an character on an US Server when they could have used an EU one from the start as Valkyrie_Lenneth said? We can talk all day, but ultimately this was your decision and Square owns you imo nothing. They were open about it and you decided to stay in the US with your character. Your decision, your fault. As harsh as it might sound.

[Serilda]

The servers were designated EU from the launch of 2.0, and players on legacy servers were able to freely transfer to Ragnarok at the time. Those that chose to stay on non EU designated worlds made their beds then.

Yet the NA players who chose to be on Ragnarok back then for timezone or friendship reasons were bailed out by the free transfer. What about all of the people who joined after 2.0 hit, but before the mythical EU datacentre ever came to be? They were actively being advised to join NA servers 'because there's no real difference' on these official forums for a very long time, and no mods ever jumped in and said that was bad advice because until the EU datacentre was formally announced very few people believed that it was really coming. S-E has acknowledged that the lag will increase for players outside NA, therefore the decision to play on a NA server has a different meaning now than it did back then.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

No, you - along with a few other posters flocking to this thread - are just deliberately ignoring the complications that exist. It's not a cut and dry matter and more could have been done to resolve the problem in advance. The irony is that looking at the post history of those pointing fingers shows that when a problem affects them, directly, they're amongst the first to kick up a fuss about it. It's interesting how that works, isn't it?

What complications? There was no housing at the time, and the game had freshly launched, so unless you were legacy, there were no bonds pre-existing to put you on a non-EU designated server.

Yet the NA players who chose to be on Ragnarok back then for timezone or friendship reasons were bailed out by the free transfer. What about all of the people who joined after 2.0 hit, but before the mythical EU datacentre ever came to be? They were actively being advised to join NA servers 'because there's no real difference' on these official forums for a very long time, and no mods ever jumped in and said that was bad advice because until the EU datacentre was formally announced very few people believed that it was really coming. S-E has acknowledged that the lag will increase for players outside NA, therefore the decision to play on a NA server has a different meaning now than it did back then.

And yet, the dev's posted a recommendation at the start for EU players to be on the EU datacenter. it was the PLAYERS who told people to go wherever.

[Istaru]

Ok, you're a 3rd class customer. Stop crying and get over it already.

Feel better now?

[Serilda]

And yet, the dev's posted a recommendation at the start for EU players to be on the EU datacenter. it was the PLAYERS who told people to go wherever.

Not going to argue that the players were the ones giving out what ended up being bad advice, but the reasoning for the official recommendation was, IIRC, based on time zones, not latency. The players who made that decision were happy to sacrifice some convenience, but they didn't realise they were also giving up their ability to play with an acceptable ping several years into the future. The NA players who opted to use the EU servers had exactly the same official recommendation hanging over their heads. Really, the only difference I see is the completely arbitrary restriction people are giving that it's still within the borders of 'NA' after the move this time, however both EU and NA are big places with very variable routing depending on the region.

Given how few people are affected and want to relocate, it seems unnecessarily mean not to help rehome a small number of them to keep the move as smooth as possible. Especially when the devs went out of their way to acknowledge that EU pings would increase.

[Lexia]

You're expecting them to pay a real life fee as well as to sacrifice most of their acquired gil due to transfer limitations and a house if they're lucky enough to own one. In addition, you expect them to also abandon any established social networks and commitments.

I'm pretty sure these limitation would still exist even if the transfers were free.