A Crazy Solution To The Growing Problems of Inadequate Preparation For Duties.

[Moonlite]

Older MMO's suffered from this problem too, people underperfoming is nothing new. However, back then communities where smaller and more "brutal" so you could become a paria in a server and almost no one will party up with you.

Actually older communities weeded out players they weren't smaller. When an automated system picks random from any server is the problem. X player being undergeared/bad/lazy is not taken into consideration by the automated system.

That is why all roulette's should allow for premade parties. WOO they do. People chose to use the system that doesn't weed out players at their own risk.

Also SE million button rotation/positional doesn't help the average player. Specially since after the X time, people are eating, watching something on another screen, pretending to erp in discord (ok maybe not the last one). The game rewards running the same thing for rewards a thousand times. People will put less effort in as time passes.

[Ama_Hamada]

I'm going to say this. About 95% of the players in the roulette know how to play their class and role.

Lolno.
latest example, I was doing leveling roulette where a BLM would single target rotation no matter how much was there. Even after explaining when and how to AoE rotate, they kept doing single. This took hate off the single they where going on from the tank every once in a while as well. The 2 other people, the other DPS and tank said this was fine. that right there is 75% do not have a clue. MNKs, BRD and MCH in roulettes tend to have the highest bad percentage. I got 2 DFs in a row for my relic with bad mnks, then the last one I got was a good one.

If you want to take expert roulette I seen meny, meny runs where it was ultra slow due to bad brds.

[Moonlite]

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Single and AOE target should probably not be discussed. That is a play style difference. You can pull 100 mobs and some players will not aoe. Not because skill but because they aren't into the aoe go fast mentality. Also if blm was pulling hate off tank he was surely doing decent damage. Conflicitng playstyles = vote kick.

[Ama_Hamada]

Single and AOE target should probably not be discussed. That is a play style difference. You can pull 100 mobs and some players will not aoe. Not because skill but because they aren't into the aoe go fast mentality. Also if blm was pulling hate off tank he was surely doing decent damage. Conflicitng playstyles = vote kick.

what was funny is even though the other 2 was chewing me out for not healing, the vote kick passed on the blm, then they voke kick me out of spite i guess. But no that is not decent damage, anyone can pull hate in aoe situation if they are going all out in a single target. For mnk it is def a skill issue because you have to know how wave it and keep tp up.

For the blm I think it was simply a troll because they did not say anything to me and they did aoe rotate once on a boss with 3 adds then continued to single (when I pointed it out and still said nothing)

[Eloah]

This is my first ever MMO, and I have to say, after a while you just learn everything, its not that hard but i will say, a good teaching tool would be nice, but, similarly, we cant expect everything to be handed to us,. I mean why di we have guides online to show/teach us mechanics. There is a thing as too much hand holding

[Kaethra]

latest example, I was doing leveling roulette where a BLM would single target rotation no matter how much was there. Even after explaining when and how to AoE rotate, they kept doing single.

Thanks for proving my point. You honestly think a tutorial would change that? You just told us that BLM what to do and he went 'lol singledps'. He'd do the same after a tutorial.

[TaleraRistain]

Real crazy would be looking at what older MMORPGs did right to not have this problem.

They didn't rely on boring cookie-cutter rotations. You had to actually understand your skills and pay attention in fights because mobs didn't have handy little cast bars. The roles were more clearly defined and games like EQ had support classes. So the almighty DPS was not king. EQ also had no instances so chances are you weren't with randoms but with friends or guildmates. If we had guildmates who struggled we helped them. If you did manage to get a bad reputation, usually by being a troll, then the word go around about you. But there definitely wasn't this atmosphere of booting people out of parties for not playing the way you wanted them to.

[XiXiQ]

Problem: There are concerns in the community that there is a lack of players' understanding of the skills they gain during their journey in Eorzea

That is because there are simply too many of them, You need encyclopaedic knowledge of every class you play, every boss, every tactic (and there's hundreds of those, they keep piling on as well). It's little wonder some have just given up/stopped caring. It's a game, not a second job. They need to seriously pare back the skills OR introduce a proper macro system.

[Silverquick]

Do you mean the hall of novice, the thing I don't see enough people do because it isn't a requirement to enter your first dungeon?

In seriousness on that, I rare see actual newbie's with the ring. Vets do it more often because they know the rewards, and newbie's aren't as likely to know. If only they made you, at least once per account.

Don't get me wrong here man, I do agree with the basic premise of the thread.
But we do need to acknowledge the things the FFXIV devs Are doing correctly before you look at the hole in the blanket so to speak.

Like I said, I remember that class being a requirement to get into the dungeon, I went to Sash, they redirected me to the adventurer's guild at the bottom of the hill, so I went through the class and got the free 15th level gearset by going through the class... I could be wrong and this may have just been an illusion and I could have gotten into the dungeon anyway without going there... so got suckered... but that was still a good move by the Devs.

Bottom line here...

While they are good at teaching the basics of Tank, DPS, Healer... they're not so good at showing how the actual class abilities are used or what they're used for... 4

Example: As I said above the Summoner who doesn't know that you cast, Bio 2... then Miasma... then Bio... and then hit Bane to spread the to all other targets.... (and Miasma 2 and Shadowflare if you're higher level on large mob packs)

Yes there are important parts of the Job...

I mean using the Cross Class Thaumaturge skill Bliz 2 and spamming it on all the mobs after you've spread your DoTs with Bane results in another 25% damage increase over your existing DoTs... that's something that requires the pro to figure out... and do.. more for the experienced player who is going all out.

And yes they don't necessarily need to know an intricacy like all targets past the first 3 when you Bane-spread your DoTs will do half damage. So you use Garuda's Contagion ability to increase the duration of the Base DoTs on target before hitting Bane... that's an advanced trick... which are intricate tricks for the Arcanist/SMN.... that improve overall efficiency... but aren't something you need to cover necessarily.

But the VERY BASIC portion of using Bane to spread your DoTs to other targets in an AoE situation... IS kinda critical to knowing your base job and its basic function.

[thegreatonemal]

Here's why this doesn't work.



You all want to fix the problem? I'll give you a fix. Revamp all dungeons. Start with Sastasha. Sastasha is now as difficult as Baelsar's Wall is currently. Ramp up the difficulty of dungeons from that point onward. THAT will teach players through a baptism of fire how to play with others.

Ramp out difficulty how? People really need to stop saying this. the dungeons are easy because you are overpowered for them do them at the item level they require to get in and you'll find a bit of resistance. GCD style mmos are not hard and can't really be made hard. the only way to make this game "hard" is to make every aoe an instant kill, auto attacks of everything hit like mini tank busters and cleave, Raid wide aoe damage that nearly kills everyone every 15 seconds or so.