As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Sebazy]

Cmon tank dying is nearly always a wipe a9s? If a dps dies or even a healer its recoverable. When I was learning that fight as sch main heal I couldnt stop healing tank fot 2 seconds. Literally tank spam heal. I guess it always depends where in fight it happens though too

Again, if the boss isn't about to cleave, it's generally recoverable without too much issue. Of course this depends on your offtank being awake

This is precisely why I feel that recording your own play is so important. It can be hard to see the big picture and get a feel for the flow and timing of the encounter whilst you are in the thick of it trying to learn with your eyes on stilts. Watching your own replays back not only allows you to spot your own mistakes, but also lets you revisit the encounter with a calm and clear head which makes it much easier to learn and build a stronger plan.

A9S has a decent number of occasions where you'll get little to no tank damage for as much as 15 seconds. They aren't quite as extreme or obvious as A10S or A12S, but they are certainly there. From what I remember back 100 pages or so was that a larger part of your issues in A9S stemmed from needlessly casting succor?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Cmon tank dying is nearly always a wipe a9s? If a dps dies or even a healer its recoverable. When I was learning that fight as sch main heal I couldnt stop healing tank fot 2 seconds. Literally tank spam heal. I guess it always depends where in fight it happens though too

Then yell at your tank or co-healer because something is amiss here. Either the tank has horrendous cooldown management or your co-healer decided to let you solo heal. Even before echo, A9 simply doesn't do enough damage to warrant the need for spamming. I suppose if your group were still ilvl 250-260? Still, the tank shouldn't be taking that much damage. I'm assuming they were in DPS stance. If not... wow.

Edit: Another factor is what spells you were casting. As noted, Succor wouldn't be the best option.

[Sebazy]

A10s to be exact and found it impossible. Imagine if you dont have much raid experience and youve onl ever healed then told you have to learn dps all at the same time.

I'm not sure how many times I have to state it before you listen:

If you are serious about improving your standard of play and thus having an easier more comfortable time of it. Record yourself playing. On PC with a Geforce card? Shadowplay is already installed and ready. Got AMD? Go get OBS, it's a bit trickier but the results will be worth it. Playing on PS4? Use the share function and upload to youtube as a private or unlisted video. There is no excuse beyond complacency or bone idleness.

Sucks but I bet you knew how to dps heal b4 you went in savage. Who teaches it anyway?

Put the thinly veiled barbs away or don't cry when I start biting back again, thanks.

[bounddreamer]

SCH shouldn't have been main healer to begin with, and as noted, the tank needs to be using their cooldowns as well as learning where they're most effective. The cooldowns have to be saved for tank busters. Otherwise when the boss is auto attacking, regen should do.

As said, savage content is team effort. One of the things we do as part of prep is look at guides to see where we need to use our cooldowns, what the mechanics are, etc. If the group is going in blind that's one thing. But otherwise the expectation is that we're going in prepared, then we learn more by doing, then we discuss how things are going and how we need to adjust.

Our scholar starts out partially healing each fight then as we all learn and get better at mechanics and cooldown use, they add more and more dps. For our A11S clear video when I watched it later I noticed they were in CS for almost the entire fight. And they definitely drop out of CS for perfectly timed Indoms and deployed crit adlo. Even our main healer has time to add dots. And the fairy on Obey is being placed and managed to help with that.

[Feyona]

If a tank takes this much dmg, you should talk with your static about what the group as a whole can do to reduce the dmg on the tank and how both healers can heal more efficient. Raiding is all about teamwork

I believe that completely. Hmm its just ragers wanting someoene to blame I guess. Ahh everyone learning at the time real messy. All i know Id got to keep tank alive that was necessary to clear and Im afraid to hell with dps as well lol we did clear without healer dps though its not essential, optimal sure , cant comment on end of a11s got to second number stage so far but static got break atm.

[Feyona]

Dps mistakes can wipe the group in a lot of current content. Dun Scaith: dps fail to perform mechanics at the very first boss. If you have enough new people.

My group was farming savage last night and our dps were dying to mechanics one after the other (we're just farming for fun and a couple of us job swapped and some of us are in lazy mode) and some of those chain reaction deaths led to a wipe. Dps stands too close to healers during spread out mechanic, bye bye healers, that's a wipe.

I think this is kind of what the majority of random groups are like. If half the group got vulnerability stacks I wouldnt be going in cleric. It would just be survival mode. See your point about zurvan yea everyone got to stay alive in there. dead got to be rezed quick bit like numbers in a11s and markers on sophia.

[Feyona]

I'm not sure how many times I have to state it before you listen:

If you are serious about improving your standard of play and thus having an easier more comfortable time of it. Record yourself playing. On PC with a Geforce card? Shadowplay is already installed and ready. Got AMD? Go get OBS, it's a bit trickier but the results will be worth it. Playing on PS4? Use the share function and upload to youtube as a private or unlisted video. There is no excuse beyond complacency or bone idleness.



Put the thinly veiled barbs away or don't cry when I start biting back again, thanks.

hmm that actually wasnt a barb? And I still cant see where it was. I was saying it sucks for me. I really think sometimes chat can come across wrong way .

[Feyona]

Then yell at your tank or co-healer because something is amiss here. Either the tank has horrendous cooldown management or your co-healer decided to let you solo heal. Even before echo, A9 simply doesn't do enough damage to warrant the need for spamming. I suppose if your group were still ilvl 250-260? Still, the tank shouldn't be taking that much damage. I'm assuming they were in DPS stance. If not... wow.

Edit: Another factor is what spells you were casting. As noted, Succor wouldn't be the best option.

combinations of adlo physic and lustrate. Yeah tank low geared but he took almost a milion damage if I remember correct actually it may have been over a mill I was 250 i lvl at the time

[bounddreamer]

I think this is kind of what the majority of random groups are like. If half the group got vulnerability stacks I wouldnt be going in cleric. It would just be survival mode. See your point about zurvan yea everyone got to stay alive in there. dead got to be rezed quick bit like numbers in a11s and markers on sophia.

The thing is, if a dps is dead at numbers in A11S or markers on Sophia, it's their own dang fault. It really is. They stayed in an aoe, or they got hit by sword and got vuln, or they fell off during tilt, or they stood in the fire to make their dps higher. In our group when we have dps dying to a mechanic, we (kindly) call it out and ask people to not do the thing next time. And because we're on voice chat, I call out mechanics and so does our ninja, so we have a running commentary on what's coming up next and what not to do.

One of our dps stood in cleave range during A12S and got one-shotted. That's not a healing issue. So I add a call out after group heals post-Sacrament to get out of cleave range.

When people put up a farm PF, the expectation is that the farm can clear consistently. And when we have three runs of people dying to really dumb stuff, it's a waste of everyone's time. That's not a farm.

Just last week I joined a Thordan farm to get light and help out (don't need birds). I ended up leaving because people couldn't cover the conviction towers but they still expected a solo heal.

I am super patient with learning groups. I'll stay the whole hour. If they're close I'll go back in if I have time. But a farm comes with an expectation of a higher level of play.

[Lambdafish]

combinations of adlo physic and lustrate. Yeah tank low geared but he took almost a milion damage if I remember correct

If the tank is in bad gear then that is an adaptation of strategy, you assess the incoming damage, and Heal/DPS accordingly. Why are you fighting against that idea being the standard mentality?

We are mixing casual and raid content again too, so everyone should be careful of that