As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

Er, in savage it generally does have the same impact. Lets not forget that not only is this tier quite forgiving compared to Gordias/Midas, but we also have echo and gear as well.


This isn't a specific special snowflake healer issue. The exact same thing applies to DPS as well. Get greedy, get flustered and you're going to mess up and potentially cause a wipe regardless of what job you are. A12S demonstrates this beautifully even with echo.

Cmon tank dying is nearly always a wipe a9s? If a dps dies or even a healer its recoverable. When I was learning that fight as sch main heal I couldnt stop healing tank fot 2 seconds. Literally tank spam heal. I guess it always depends where in fight it happens though too

[era1Ne]

Cmon tank dying is nearly always a wipe a9s? If a dps dies or even a healer its recoverable. When I was learning that fight as sch main heal I couldnt stop healing tank fot 2 seconds. Literally tank spam heal. I guess it always depends where in fight it happens though too

If a tank takes this much dmg, you should talk with your static about what the group as a whole can do to reduce the dmg on the tank and how both healers can heal more efficient. Raiding is all about teamwork

[Feyona]

If a tank takes this much dmg, you should talk with your static about what the group as a whole can do to reduce the dmg on the tank and how both healers can heal more efficient. Raiding is all about teamwork

I believe that completely. Hmm its just ragers wanting someoene to blame I guess. Ahh everyone learning at the time real messy. All i know Id got to keep tank alive that was necessary to clear and Im afraid to hell with dps as well lol we did clear without healer dps though its not essential, optimal sure , cant comment on end of a11s got to second number stage so far but static got break atm.

[Sebazy]

Cmon tank dying is nearly always a wipe a9s? If a dps dies or even a healer its recoverable. When I was learning that fight as sch main heal I couldnt stop healing tank fot 2 seconds. Literally tank spam heal. I guess it always depends where in fight it happens though too

Again, if the boss isn't about to cleave, it's generally recoverable without too much issue. Of course this depends on your offtank being awake

This is precisely why I feel that recording your own play is so important. It can be hard to see the big picture and get a feel for the flow and timing of the encounter whilst you are in the thick of it trying to learn with your eyes on stilts. Watching your own replays back not only allows you to spot your own mistakes, but also lets you revisit the encounter with a calm and clear head which makes it much easier to learn and build a stronger plan.

A9S has a decent number of occasions where you'll get little to no tank damage for as much as 15 seconds. They aren't quite as extreme or obvious as A10S or A12S, but they are certainly there. From what I remember back 100 pages or so was that a larger part of your issues in A9S stemmed from needlessly casting succor?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Cmon tank dying is nearly always a wipe a9s? If a dps dies or even a healer its recoverable. When I was learning that fight as sch main heal I couldnt stop healing tank fot 2 seconds. Literally tank spam heal. I guess it always depends where in fight it happens though too

Then yell at your tank or co-healer because something is amiss here. Either the tank has horrendous cooldown management or your co-healer decided to let you solo heal. Even before echo, A9 simply doesn't do enough damage to warrant the need for spamming. I suppose if your group were still ilvl 250-260? Still, the tank shouldn't be taking that much damage. I'm assuming they were in DPS stance. If not... wow.

Edit: Another factor is what spells you were casting. As noted, Succor wouldn't be the best option.

[Feyona]

Then yell at your tank or co-healer because something is amiss here. Either the tank has horrendous cooldown management or your co-healer decided to let you solo heal. Even before echo, A9 simply doesn't do enough damage to warrant the need for spamming. I suppose if your group were still ilvl 250-260? Still, the tank shouldn't be taking that much damage. I'm assuming they were in DPS stance. If not... wow.

Edit: Another factor is what spells you were casting. As noted, Succor wouldn't be the best option.

combinations of adlo physic and lustrate. Yeah tank low geared but he took almost a milion damage if I remember correct actually it may have been over a mill I was 250 i lvl at the time

[Lambdafish]

combinations of adlo physic and lustrate. Yeah tank low geared but he took almost a milion damage if I remember correct

If the tank is in bad gear then that is an adaptation of strategy, you assess the incoming damage, and Heal/DPS accordingly. Why are you fighting against that idea being the standard mentality?

We are mixing casual and raid content again too, so everyone should be careful of that

[Feyona]

If the tank is in bad gear then that is an adaptation of strategy, you assess the incoming damage, and Heal/DPS accordingly. Why are you fighting against that idea being the standard mentality?

We are mixing casual and raid content again too, so everyone should be careful of that

but Im not fighting im just making my opinions. I didnt come here to fight it was to say I think cleric sucks because blah blah blah. and I would prefer it not to be forced. Just give a better way to fill my time. rather than a stress charged one. Just have a preference for quality of enjoyment factor

[bounddreamer]

but Im not fighting im just making my opinions. I didnt come here to fight it was to say I think cleric sucks because blah blah blah. and I would prefer it not to be forced. Just give a better way to fill my time. rather than a stress charged one. Just have a preference for quality of enjoyment factor

I'm not making light whatsoever, and I do agree with not forcing someone to do anything they're uncomfortable with, but I have to say: if it does feel stress charged, that's not something I want to do. That's why if the group is bad, I leave. I don't feel any obligation to press forward when it feels unbearable. I have a pretty good judgment of what's my fault versus what isn't.

Once I was in a Weeping City run on my alt where one dps was blaming the other healer and I for everything. They were low health due to being under geared and eating mechanics they shouldn't have been, but persisted in saying it was our fault. When we wiped again they tried to vote kick, it failed to go through, then a vote kick was initiated on them and it did go through. Our replacement dps did mechanics and lo and behold, we got past Ozma. But I was on the verge of leaving.

Honestly a 30 min penalty isn't a bad thing. Time to get up and walk away from a source of stress.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

combinations of adlo physic and lustrate. Yeah tank low geared but he took almost a milion damage if I remember correct actually it may have been over a mill I was 250 i lvl at the time

Hmm, sounds like a combination of low gear and poor cooldown management. He likely tried cheesing mechanics by dropping tank stance. I also call into question what exactly your co-healer was doing. Scholar should provide support healing, not be the designated main healer. WHM/AST have much better pure healing capabilities whereas SCH mitigates. Even at ilvl 250, that shouldn't have been as much of an issue. If this is the group that blamed you, they're bad. It has nothing to do with the DPS meta or community expectations. So I don't get why you've spent so much time fighting against them.