Put back Extreme trial on raid finder again...please

[bswpayton]

So I think the bigger question is , for everyone that still thinks this is a horrible thing , why do you think that devs decided to make this change? What reason do you think that the devs possibly could of had in mind to remove these out of raid finder to put them in df with the other old primals?

[ReplicaX]

So I think the bigger question is , for everyone that still thinks this is a horrible thing , why do you think that devs decided to make this change? What reason do you think that the devs possibly could of had in mind to remove these out of raid finder to put them in df with the other old primals?

Content has been out for an extended period of time, the exception being Zurvan. In preparation for SB Raids & EX is the only reason I see them doing it, unless as stated they have some in-house timetable for content.

[Yeol]

So I think the bigger question is , for everyone that still thinks this is a horrible thing , why do you think that devs decided to make this change? What reason do you think that the devs possibly could of had in mind to remove these out of raid finder to put them in df with the other old primals?

Apparently, clear rates increase when such content is added to DF after it got echo. It is like the last hope for people who want to down it before 4.0 hits.

I've noticed that there are less rage quitters in DF. Especially if the queue took a long time. People tend to stay till the timer ends. With PF people can easily leave and join another party.
Someone usually ask if people know what to do and link a guid video. Give instruction and pull.

[bswpayton]

Apparently, clear rates increase when such content is added to DF after it got echo. It is like the last hope for people who want to down it before 4.0 hits.

I've noticed that there are less rage quitters in DF. Especially if the queue took a long time. People tend to stay till the timer ends. With PF people can easily leave and join another party.
Someone usually ask if people know what to do and link a guid video. Give instruction and pull.

Thank you last two posters you just pretty much said maybe in a nicer way what ive been saying this whole time but yet the people in this thread still want accept the idea that it is a last stitch attempt to make things easier for everyone.

[Moomba33]

I'm wondering if there's a data center difference issue here. In my experience RF was useless for solo queue for every Ex fight except Sophia Ex and her queues died too in 3.5. This is from queuing on evenings and weekends as a dps or healer on the Primal Data Center.
And yes I was queuing Duty Complete.

The functionality was nice in theory but not useful if the queue never pops. It would be helpful if that functionality was added to PF to stop people from sneaking into farms.

[ReplicaX]

How can you say its easier for everyone now? It clearly is not easier for anyone who wants to farm the content... And people ARE still farming this content. You complained about how there are only farm-parties in PF (even when you've been shown that thats not the case), so there is clearly a huge intrest in farming this content. Yet this change made it more difficult for that group of people...

If it is possible system wise, I believe what Moomba states below is a win-win. Especially now having cross-PF implemented. It doesn't hurt to have multiple options as long as they are viable. Especially if SE wants to set timetables moving content out of RF into DF.

I'm wondering if there's a data center difference issue here. In my experience RF was useless for solo queue for every Ex fight except Sophia Ex and her queues died too in 3.5. This is from queuing on evenings and weekends as a dps or healer on the Primal Data Center.
And yes I was queuing Duty Complete.

The functionality was nice in theory but not useful if the queue never pops. It would be helpful if that functionality was added to PF to stop people from sneaking into farms.

[Vaer]

I'm wondering if there's a data center difference issue here. In my experience RF was useless for solo queue for every Ex fight except Sophia Ex and her queues died too in 3.5. This is from queuing on evenings and weekends as a dps or healer on the Primal Data Center.
And yes I was queuing Duty Complete.

The functionality was nice in theory but not useful if the queue never pops. It would be helpful if that functionality was added to PF to stop people from sneaking into farms.

I'm on Primal.

Sophia died probably because by 3.5 a lot of people had their birds (the fight was really easy), in the first month at least it would pop relatively frequently and my clear rate was insanely high (it was actually better clear rate than PF for me) and I did about 20ish clears. On top of that they kinda killed her weapon with the Kinna weapons and by then people had 260 tome with Zurvan already having a better weapon.

Zurvan pretty much died immediately on NA because the skip soar 1 tank/5 dps method was unusable in RF because it forces 2 tanks and that strat spread like wildfire. I used zurvan RF incomplete on patch day with my gf and it was popping relatively fast. We stopped using it though because we went to PF to get into tether groups.

All the other trials before Sophia other than Rav/Bis were just moved into RF on the same patch as Sophia, they had DF queues before. I'm assuming they weren't working too well or they wouldn't have had to move them in the first place. Bis/Rav were excluded since I think people were already farming birds and getting clears in DF even if it was a bit tough.

So far it was pretty much only useful for Sophia EX for me. Other posters mentioned people used it to farm Creator Savage but I have a static so I didn't bother using it so I have no idea how good it was for that.

[Vidu]

So I think the bigger question is , for everyone that still thinks this is a horrible thing , why do you think that devs decided to make this change? What reason do you think that the devs possibly could of had in mind to remove these out of raid finder to put them in df with the other old primals?

I know why they've made this change - it is, indeed, to favour those who are late to the party by telling everyone who would like to do those primals in DF "Either you deal with teaching those people or you cant do this content [in DF]"
I know and understand their reason behind this - infact, I'm pretty sure we all do. But obviously not all of us agree on this, so its perfectly legit to speak up and tell the devs "Hey, listen, there are people who would like you to do it differently!". Thats the point of making suggestions in a forum. Dont you think those people who want female gear unlocked for males (or at least the equival amount of glamour options for males) know why thats not the case yet?
Do you really think everyone here, who would like to keep a clear-only-queue is to stupid to understand that SE is throwing those who cant be bothered to make a learning party a huge bone? And not only are they throwing this bone by taking it away from the farm-people, no, they're throwing this bone with the assumption that now more experienced people will queue to help, because they have no other option anymore.

This is not "until now the queue was only open for farm-people and now its open for new people aswell" - this is "we remove the farm-queue, so people who want to farm either give up on DF or are forced to help".
Both groups had queues until now. Now there is no queue for farm-people anymore. And if those people dont voice their intrest to keep a farm-queue because they want to do something for the next two months until there is new content, nothing will change because it will appear as if there is no intrest in that to begin with - when there is.

Thank you last two posters you just pretty much said maybe in a nicer way what ive been saying this whole time but yet the people in this thread still want accept the idea that it is a last stitch attempt to make things easier for everyone.

How can you say its easier for everyone now? It clearly is not easier for anyone who wants to farm the content... And people ARE still farming this content. You complained about how there are only farm-parties in PF (even when you've been shown that thats not the case), so there is clearly a huge intrest in farming this content. Yet this change made it more difficult for that group of people...

[bswpayton]

I know why they've made this change - it is, indeed, to favour those

Well it just really makes no sense to put them in after the two months is up , because then they would do two things at once put them in duty finder then also unsync them all. You keep sayin that there are two options Vidu but we both know that its only one option and thats to make a learning party only (this is the only option that someone who doesnt have 10 hours to sit around and wait for a que has). You commented on my very thread I made on the subject I tried queing for sep before I cleared it , in rf, thordan as well sometimes even with friends not a single person joined not even one.

And with cross server party finder Im actually pretty sure rf itself was prob not even used at all hardly it was pretty much known that it was dead once cross server party finder came out. But I would say that maybe SE knows that some people would like to get clears while the content is somewhat relevant and that the filter had been in place long enough on this older content.

I dont really see them changing this simply because of the small window of time it is, because the fact is the two sides just simply arent going to agree on this. So the devs are in a sense giving us both a set amount of time to be accommodated because carry aside, its kind of annoying that every time you would like to do some content you have to broadcast your whole name and server all across your data center.

Thats one of the things I love best about duty finder its anonymous I dont have to worry about, someone knowing who I am and where I am from etc. And Ive also seen others say similar things as well, so its more than just oh we are lookin for a carry duty finder is just alot more convenient. So its not all about just forcing all these great skill players to come in to save the day for everyone its really just a feature that people like as well just like you enjoy the rf. So we have essentially both getting accommodated those whom like df are just getting less time to enjoy which is fine at least its something.

[Vidu]

I dont really see them changing this simply because of the small window of time it is, because the fact is the two sides just simply arent going to agree on this. So the devs are in a sense giving us both a set amount of time to be accommodated becausecarry aside, its kind of annoying that every time you would like to do some content you have to broadcast your whole name and server all across your data center.

Stop right there! "its kind of annoying that every time you would like to do some content you have to broadcast your whole name and server all across your data center." - I need to quote this again, because its so beautiful!
Yes, yes, it is annyoing - but guess what? It is annyoing for everyone - for the learning person as much as for the farming person.

Again: RF/DF wasnt locked for people who hadnt cleared it. Believe me, there was an option to queue for this content without having the kill! And if that didnt work, the reason for that is that not enough people at the time you were queueing wanted to do that content - its the same reason DPS has longer queuetimes: Not enough tanks and healers want to do that content right now. Should everyone change to tank/healer now?
RF wasnt blocked for those who didnt have the clear - mean, mean vets didnt stood before it and told them "Ey, sorry, you cant queue here!". Mean, mean vets simply decided "No, today, I dont want to teach this content, so I wont queue up for it" - if they queued up for the more convenient farm-option, joined a PF-party or did something totally different, isnt relevant.

Even if they wont change it now (I dont expected that), it is still very important to tell them "Hey, there are people who'd like to clear-checkbox to stay permanently - at least as an option in PF or even as an option in DF, because we'd like to able to queue with like-minded people, who want to farm aswell"

Making a PF for a farm group is as inconvenient for me as it is for you to make a PF for a learning party.
Yet you can use the more convenient tool - the DF - to potentially reach your goal. I cant.

I dont see them changing it for the current EX-primals either anymore, its to late for that - it is not to late for SB-Primals and making the devs aware that there are people out here who would like a farm-option in DF and a clear-filter in PF, to make farming easier. And that they would like this option to stay, instead of having a timeframe and getting told after that "Sorry, you're to late for farming now - but just in time to clear this for the first time! Oh... you did that already? And want the rewards now? Mmh... thats a bit unfortunate, you see, by now its only important that everyone gets their clear... so... you can go and help people? It will take way, way more time than farming would have and often you might not even get a clear, but thats really more important now!"