On Xelphatol and the Actual Summoner.

[AmalonStar]

Personally there are a few jobs I've been disappointed with.

Smn is supposed to actually summon 'primals' not limited to 3 types, tank dps and caster dps. I miss my smn's from XI and loved the diversity of skills and abilities each different summon would bring. Smn is more of a dot Mage than anything here.

Drg- isn't a drg supposed to be a dragon master with command over dragons? Here they're simply dragon slayers. From the general lore I know of drg is that they pull their power from dragons and typically have a dragon companion.

Nin- basicly a combination of ninja and thief, it doesn't fully utilize the potential of both jobs.

Brd- basically a combination of a bard and a ranger, again this one doesn't utilize the potential of both jobs.

[Inosaska]

Smn is supposed to actually summon 'primals' not limited to 3 types, tank dps and caster dps. I miss my smn's from XI and loved the diversity of skills and abilities each different summon would bring. Smn is more of a dot Mage than anything here

Yeah its really sad to see the state of the summoner as it is right now but I have hope the combat changes might start having them add them in the game but you're its a dot mage(Warlock).

[Mimilu]

I miss my smn's from XI

All of your complaints about the jobs you listed seem to have a certain theme... :B

[AmalonStar]

All of your complaints about the jobs you listed seem to have a certain theme... :B

Its true that ff XI is the first thought that comes to mind when I think of jobs, I also spent a good 13+ years playing it.

But you look at other lore and other ff games and the trend is still the same. Every ff game that I can recall off the top of my head smn's actually summoned alot of different 'primals'

Drg - yes ff XI they had a dragon companion but it you also look at the lore of a drg they were dragon masters. Look at the game legend of dragoon they drew their powers from dragons, other games like suikoden drg's rode on dragons and battled together. There is tons of lore in various forms about drg's and it always revolves around drawing thier strength from dragons or having a dragon companion.

Brd and ranger have always been 2 separate jobs in the ff series and I don't think they've ever been combined like in XIV

Nin and thief have always been separate jobs too with unique skills just like brd and ranger haven't really been ever combined

[Ageofwar]

I miss my smn's from XI

First off if you are wanting things like FFXI then go play FFXI, this is FFXIV

So... you want SMN to be a healer/support role? I think we are a little late in the game for such a big change, if SE where to do this I would stop playing SMN, I actually like SMN on FFXIV because it is diffrent from FFXI

the Dev's for FFXIV have taken a diffrent view on SMN and if you ask me a better one than FFXI

from what I am seeing and based on the story line in the SMN quests any future summons will be like the ablity Deathflare

[Neela]

from what I am seeing and based on the story line in the SMN quests any future summons will be like the ablity Deathflare

...or they wouldn't even care about us, the warriors of light, like Ramuh didn't care in the end of the smn-questline xD

but well yeah that would be a kind of compromise most of us could life with (imo) – I would like if every Primal would get his own "Trance-Finisher" and that's probably more realistic than my wish to control our egis like the monster-pots in potd :3

edit: but I can feel her thoughts... smns should be based more on their summons in one or another way... I even can imagine more special-egi skills instead of smn skills for the SB 60+ lvls... would be refreshing as well... much more than another burst or dot skill.

[Ageofwar]

that's probably more realistic than my wish to control our egis like the monster-pots in potd

We kinda already have examples of this in game already barring POTD in the primals Shiva and King Thordan where Ysayle and Archbishop Thordan VII summon primals into themselves allowing them some control over the primals but this requires quite a bit of aether to do in the form of cryistals or one of nidhogg's eyes to fuel the summon

[Neela]

We kinda already have examples of this in game already barring POTD in the primals Shiva and King Thordan where Ysayle and Archbishop Thordan VII summon primals into themselves allowing them some control over the primals but this requires quite a bit of aether to do in the form of cryistals or one of nidhogg's eyes to fuel the summon

yeah kind of that or at least like Yuna in ffx - sitting on their shoulder, or ffxiii where the chars use them like a kind of "mount" while summoned (f.e odin & lightning).

[AmalonStar]

First off if you are wanting things like FFXI then go play FFXI, this is FFXIV

So... you want SMN to be a healer/support role? I think we are a little late in the game for such a big change, if SE where to do this I would stop playing SMN, I actually like SMN on FFXIV because it is diffrent from FFXI

the Dev's for FFXIV have taken a diffrent view on SMN and if you ask me a better one than FFXI

from what I am seeing and based on the story line in the SMN quests any future summons will be like the ablity Deathflare

The whole point of this thread is about the fact smn on XIV is more of a joke on the smn job, every ff game ever made smn has always been based around the use of alot of different smn's with different abilities and strengths. Any true ff fan doesn't like when they stray too far from from what the classic job roles are in ff games and the various elements that have always defined the series, take the movie ff spirits within when that had come out the shear outrage from the ff fans was huge because it had nothing in it that related to ff at all. Like it was an alright movie but wasn't deserving of the name and I think thats what everyone is kind of getting at with smn in XIV

As for you saying for me to go back to XI in all honestly if they didn't stop making expansions for it I would have stayed playing it and I can probably say that a very large portion of the current ff XIV player base would have stayed with it too.

I get them wanting to try and put a new take on things but they shouldn't stray too far from what the jobs roots are, if they want to make a well known job and make it into something its not they should be making completely new jobs rather than labeling them with a classic job name.