As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[seekified]

This is the whole point, they will still expect you to dps because they dont understand you have to heal as well

That would just be stupid. I play lots of SCH, I love DPSing as a healer, but if I see my co-healer in Cleric Stance when three people in my party are dead I'll be outraged.

Healing comes first. We're just trying to say that DPSing is a lot better than standing around during those times when everyone is healthy, which tends to be a lot of the time when your party knows what they're doing. That's all. Naturally, if people are being hit by unnecessary stuff and are low on health or dead, you should not be DPSing because you'll need all the time and MP you can get to keep the party alive.

This is just logic, it ain't hard.

[Feyona]

Then find yourself better groups. That is what I do.
Pug group messing up, so I need to heal as SCH in Zurvex farm (more than good timed shields)? Bye bye. Find yourself someone else.
Is it harsh? Yes.
Is it rude? Maybe, not as if I care.


If you don't want to leave those underperforming groups you have to deal with the consequences: not being able to DPS as much as you could in a better group.
So since this is something you chose to deal with, I don't see the problem.
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Oh for sure but it takes all day to get a good group, literally. Even Thordan I was lucky to get 15 clears in a row out of one group, think it took a week to get 99 clears. 2 hours in pf to get a group in the first place, each time at least 3 people die in majority of groups. Plus a few actual wipes even thordan is a challenge for some still. Think it took all day to get a clear on zurvan once.

[AmeliaVerves]

PF is pain

I know that, but I lost the patience to carry those people.
Of course it's nice people like you exist that keep them in their group so those get their birds as well, but at the same time you actually 'teach' them it's ok to be this bad and still join a EXTREME Primal farm.

I decided for myself I wont promote this behaviour anymore and kick/leave group of anyone being not good enough for the fight. If it is my group in the first place I am free to chose with who I want to go into content, if it is someone elses group I simply leave. Not worth my time.

Same goes for my co heals that don't want to DPS.
I had a Zurvex farm and went as WHM, but the SCH who joined refused to DPS even though I told him I will solo heal.
We cleared once (because I wanted to show him I actually can solo heal Zurvex) and he still refused, so I kicked him. There was nothing to heal for him. So I freed him from the burden of being in my group and gave him the chance to live up to his playstyle somewhere else. '>.>

[Feyona]

That would just be stupid. I play lots of SCH, I love DPSing as a healer, but if I see my co-healer in Cleric Stance when three people in my party are dead I'll be outraged.

Think my point is if your co healer feels pressured enough to be seen dpsing their asses off instead of healing when they should it is pressure all round, plus, as so many state hear you can solo heal most content the belief is perpetuated especially in non healers that dont have a clue like for example ' If I see a healer not dpsing I will vote kick' The expectation is created by expert healers saying ' its easy' when In reality in current content it really isnt. Im not even sure if the pro dps healers are even admitting this difficulty , are always playing in good groups, or they actually are so good that its never a problem.

[Feyona]

I know that, but I lost the patience to carry those people.
Of course it's nice people like you exist that keep them in their group so those get their birds as well, but at the same time you actually 'teach' them it's ok to be this bad and still join a EXTREME Primal farm.

That is entirely up to you, but I guess I dont have that view I will still try with whatever Ive got. I have a sort of more acceptance towards those not comfortable with dps as healer. I do have alot of patience, and Im grateful for a clear. Like Ive said I dont mind it taking longer, I enjoy helping others, and I like to see people enjoying themselves even if they are getting carried I dont really care as long as its clearedI just wanted to add here that going in groups with friends is always more forgiving as you dont kick friends. I treat all people as friends, in a group. I know so many people have put up with me learning as well and I think its only fair to put up with others too, that do have less ability I know Im not the highest and Im not the lowest ability. My view is theres always someone better and always someone less able . I allow those less able to at least have a go if I can

[Lambdafish]

This is the whole point, they will still expect you to dps because they dont understand you have to heal as well

who is "they"? Nobody here has condoned that, and that is not normal behavior on at least my server, and I bet others can vouch that this is not normal or accepted behavior on any other servers.

Toxic people exist, but we move on from that and find better people, that is the way MMOs work.

[Feyona]

who is "they"? Nobody here has condoned that, and that is not normal behavior on at least my server, and I bet others can vouch that this is not normal or accepted behavior on any other servers.

Toxic people exist, but we move on from that and find better people, that is the way MMOs work.

Right just go to my own thread and find it then. Its an actual quote . Ive seen it and many comments similar. From mostly people that dont heal. I play this game as a healer, I dont even need to give quotes to experience this expectation and pressure, and what its doing, do you think I live on an island? And no alot of the toxicity has gone from here but not out there in the game

[Lambdafish]

Right just go to my own thread and find it then. Its an actual quote . Ive seen it and many comments similar. From mostly people that dont heal. I play this game as a healer, I dont even need to give quotes to experience this expectation and pressure, and what its doing, do you think I live on an island? And no alot of the toxicity has gone from here but not out there in the game

Thank you for not answering the question in the slightest.

[Feyona]

Thank you for not answering the question in the slightest.

Im sorry if you dont understand what Im saying lambadfish but I did answer in my own way and Im sorry if you dont see that. I understood your point you were asking me as quote ' who are they?' so I told you who 'they ' are. As you didnt seem to have seen it, you also stated that no one here has said it which is wrong as I take 'here' as being on the forums. So my point is being expected to dps even when you cant is correct. 'note if I see a healer not dpsing I will vote kick' My comment quote ' they will still expect you to even if you cant'

[Lambdafish]

Im sorry if you dont understand what Im saying lambadfish but I did answer in my own way and Im sorry if you dont see that. I understood your point you were asking me as quote ' who are they?' so I told you who 'they ' are. As you didnt seem to have seen it, you also stated that no one here has said it which is wrong as I take 'here' as being on the forums. So my point is being expected to dps even when you cant is correct. 'note if I see a healer not dpsing I will vote kick' My comment quote ' they will still expect you to even if you cant'

Do we really need to go over this again? Please Feyona, I'm tired of it.......

This thread and quote you are talking about... don't expect others to find it for you, it makes for an incredibly weak argument and doesn't put your point in a very good light. The quote (?) that you just posted is also so out of context it hurts. Does that mean in casual content? in raid content? does it mean if they are idling? You don't see these factors, you just ASSUME that the standard attitude is DPS no matter what, which is simply untrue.

If you can give me concrete evidence that anything but the sheer minority of players that you come across expect DPS no matter how intensive the healing, then I will concede defeat and I'll even eat my hat. So far you have used the word "them" and given out of context, unsourced quotes that even if they were in context and sourced is merely anecdotal and doesn't represent a wholesome view of the issue.