As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

If people mess up, you just turn off cleric stance andheal them.
If they die and are many to die, you just stop dps completely to save your mana.

You adapt to the party you are with, it's a logical thing. You won't play as efficiently in df than with your static. It's normal, you don't know who you are playing with.
But this isn't an excuse to just watch things happen. Healers have a of mana, and with a good mana management, throwing some dots on dead times won't hurt.

well with this comment Im still not sure people understand the sort of groups I have to heal b ut whatever I still dont want that pressure of being made to dps despite whether people think you can or not in the circumstances and some of those pressuring dont know anything about healing. Save mana huh? I dont have any after rezing three times in a row, then rely on other healer to heal the tank cos if they dont its curtains. The last few farms Ive been in for zurvan literally required spam healing the tank. If I stopped once to move or heal someone else tank would be practically dead even with regens. Also Im 270 gear on ast and I crit at least 16k you cant really blame my heals. This is due to other healer staying in cleric and tank not using cds or even tank stance in some cases. Ineresting or not I watched a video of an a8 clear when it was current this is important because Ive always stated its easy to dps in old content. The healers hardly went in cler and when they did tank died but I noticed after they got him up they dudnt go in cleric much at all, and you always got to be more ready to heal than dps

[Lambdafish]

well with this comment Im still not sure people understand the sort of groups I have to heal b ut whatever I still dont want that pressure of being made to dps despite whether people think you can or not in the circumstances and some of those pressuring dont know anything about healing

Did you ignore the last paragraph? It doesn't matter if they don't understand the parties, the logic still applies, if the party sucks and are dying lots then there are no gaps to DPS.

[Feyona]

Did you ignore the last paragraph? It doesn't matter if they don't understand the parties, the logic still applies, if the party sucks and are dying lots then there are no gaps to DPS.

This is the whole point, they will still expect you to dps because they dont understand you have to heal as well

[seekified]

This is the whole point, they will still expect you to dps because they dont understand you have to heal as well

That would just be stupid. I play lots of SCH, I love DPSing as a healer, but if I see my co-healer in Cleric Stance when three people in my party are dead I'll be outraged.

Healing comes first. We're just trying to say that DPSing is a lot better than standing around during those times when everyone is healthy, which tends to be a lot of the time when your party knows what they're doing. That's all. Naturally, if people are being hit by unnecessary stuff and are low on health or dead, you should not be DPSing because you'll need all the time and MP you can get to keep the party alive.

This is just logic, it ain't hard.

[Feyona]

That would just be stupid. I play lots of SCH, I love DPSing as a healer, but if I see my co-healer in Cleric Stance when three people in my party are dead I'll be outraged.

Think my point is if your co healer feels pressured enough to be seen dpsing their asses off instead of healing when they should it is pressure all round, plus, as so many state hear you can solo heal most content the belief is perpetuated especially in non healers that dont have a clue like for example ' If I see a healer not dpsing I will vote kick' The expectation is created by expert healers saying ' its easy' when In reality in current content it really isnt. Im not even sure if the pro dps healers are even admitting this difficulty , are always playing in good groups, or they actually are so good that its never a problem.

[Lambdafish]

This is the whole point, they will still expect you to dps because they dont understand you have to heal as well

who is "they"? Nobody here has condoned that, and that is not normal behavior on at least my server, and I bet others can vouch that this is not normal or accepted behavior on any other servers.

Toxic people exist, but we move on from that and find better people, that is the way MMOs work.

[Feyona]

who is "they"? Nobody here has condoned that, and that is not normal behavior on at least my server, and I bet others can vouch that this is not normal or accepted behavior on any other servers.

Toxic people exist, but we move on from that and find better people, that is the way MMOs work.

Right just go to my own thread and find it then. Its an actual quote . Ive seen it and many comments similar. From mostly people that dont heal. I play this game as a healer, I dont even need to give quotes to experience this expectation and pressure, and what its doing, do you think I live on an island? And no alot of the toxicity has gone from here but not out there in the game

[Lambdafish]

Right just go to my own thread and find it then. Its an actual quote . Ive seen it and many comments similar. From mostly people that dont heal. I play this game as a healer, I dont even need to give quotes to experience this expectation and pressure, and what its doing, do you think I live on an island? And no alot of the toxicity has gone from here but not out there in the game

Thank you for not answering the question in the slightest.

[Feyona]

Thank you for not answering the question in the slightest.

Im sorry if you dont understand what Im saying lambadfish but I did answer in my own way and Im sorry if you dont see that. I understood your point you were asking me as quote ' who are they?' so I told you who 'they ' are. As you didnt seem to have seen it, you also stated that no one here has said it which is wrong as I take 'here' as being on the forums. So my point is being expected to dps even when you cant is correct. 'note if I see a healer not dpsing I will vote kick' My comment quote ' they will still expect you to even if you cant'

[AmeliaVerves]

well with this comment Im still not sure people understand the sort of groups I have to heal

Then find yourself better groups. That is what I do.
Pug group messing up, so I need to heal as SCH in Zurvex farm (more than good timed shields)? Bye bye. Find yourself someone else.
Is it harsh? Yes.
Is it rude? Maybe, not as if I care.
I am not forcing my playstyle on them nor do I harrass them. I just leave. Because I have the same right as them: Playing like I want to.
That includes having a party that is good enough to give me free time to DPS.

If you don't want to leave those underperforming groups you have to deal with the consequences: not being able to DPS as much as you could in a better group.
So since this is something you chose to deal with, I don't see the problem.

Since you know the problem is other people messing up, why do you think it is your job to make up their mistakes? I don't even do it in my static.
Someone does a stupid mistake, messes up and dies? Well, I guess he learned something from it.
Yes, I am healer and yes, I like to heal, but I am not everyones nanny and I am not meant to be the mommy making up DDs mistakes so they can play like they want and don't need to care about mechanics.
That is not part of a healers job!

Don't get me wrong: I am not playing in a hardcore group and I do help my group including heals when people do mistakes. This can happen to everyone at any time.
But if someone keeps doing the same mistake over and over (for example not dodging a specific aoe) I wont heal him/her, because they are not doing their job. And dodging Aoes and playing mechanics properly (at least trying!) is their job.
And this is what happens the most in Pug groups. People dying because they don't know how to handle mechanics in the first place (wtf. in a farm group? just why?!) or being greedy with their dps.
Those are the two things I will not except in farm groups.