As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Awful]

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Are you sure about that? I've seen many, COUNTLESS healers sitting around doing jack shit, while everyone's participating within the fight. This applies to dungeons, trials, 24 mans, I don't know what you're on but it happens a lot way more then you think and you wanna know the worst part? I can't tell them even at max level to say:

"hey turn on cleric an-". "I've been playing Whm/sch/ast since 1.0 don't tell me how to play stfu" or i'll get nothing. Pure silence from these players and that's what's wrong with healers in common DF they don't want to hit 1 button and ignore half of their toolkit. I know it's beating a dead horse but c'mon Feyona ignorance is bliss, and don't say that you think healers should choose how they want to heal, no we're not gong back into 80 pages of bantering here, nor am I bullying you.

This is the cold hard truth of FFXIV in this DPS oriented game where you have to DPS and learning to DPS as a tank or healer or god forbid an actual DPS and hitting all your buttons and CDs because over half the playerbase can't be arsed to.

[era1Ne]

Ive seen the videos and see how healers do it in pro group yes pressing buttons, but in most of those where the healer dpsing 80% of the time, I dont see anyone messing up mechanics, healer just puts regens and thats it, trust tank uses cds appropriately, and thats all that the group seems to require. I dont see people dying randomly, or failing mechanics. No wonder people in good groups thinks its easy. Think difficulty is set to account for people messing up. Unfortunately average healers get in average groups. Who do mess up as well as me. Theres also people that cant afford pro gaming mouses etc and play on comps and get act. Theres unfairness yes but not in that way

An group like this also talks alot about, what they use when and thinks about ways to improve as a team. How can we reduce the dmg incoming for example? This is not only about healers or tanks, because dd have tools to reduce the dmg aswell. So you could ask the question "As a dd, is it my job to help the tanks/healers?" Would be a great discussion.

At the risk of sounding really elitist. The 24 man content isn't the hard content, please keep this in mind =(

To clarify, raids failing the Diablos DPS check is more of an issue to with the average skill level across the player base as a whole. Or more specifically, SE doing an awful job of teaching people at the level cap how to play effectively.

Maat would be appalled at this state of affairs =(

The only hard part in the 24 man is people standing everywhere expect with their group and this means only a few get the aoe healing sometimes

[KDSilver]

Ive seen the videos and see how healers do it in pro group yes pressing buttons, but in most of those where the healer dpsing 80% of the time, I dont see anyone messing up mechanics, healer just puts regens and thats it, trust tank uses cds appropriately, and thats all that the group seems to require. I dont see people dying randomly, or failing mechanics. No wonder people in good groups thinks its easy. Think difficulty is set to account for people messing up. Unfortunately average healers get in average groups. Who do mess up as well as me. Theres also people that cant afford pro gaming mouses etc and play on comps and get act. Theres unfairness yes but not in that way

If people mess up, you just turn off cleric stance andheal them.
If they die and are many to die, you just stop dps completely to save your mana.

You adapt to the party you are with, it's a logical thing. You won't play as efficiently in df than with your static. It's normal, you don't know who you are playing with.
But this isn't an excuse to just watch things happen. Healers have a of mana, and with a good mana management, throwing some dots on dead times won't hurt.

[Judge_Xero]

If people mess up, you just turn off cleric stance andheal them.
If they die and are many to die, you just stop dps completely to save your mana.

Exactly this. Even in a group where you are expecting people to make mistakes and die at least if you have been contributing to party DPS then there is a great possibility to recover and beat enrage. If you need ballad then at least your are covering for the lost DPS to use it. If you click on Clerics at a bad time, chances are your co-healer can still cover any needed heals.

[Feyona]

Are you sure about that? I've seen many, COUNTLESS healers sitting around doing jack shit, while everyone's participating within the fight. This applies to dungeons, trials, 24 mans, :

I am absolutely sure of what I see or dont see will say though some healers arnt great same as tanks and dps, Im not really amazing either and even if Im with a not so great healer I still do my best to clear the stuff. It only sort of concerns me if I have to rez with sc then hard rez then sc rez again three times in a row cos other healer wont rez or something. But tbh I dont mind challenges as game is about that and not watching what everyone else is doing and making sure (god forbid) no one presses a few buttons less than someone else

[Feyona]

If people mess up, you just turn off cleric stance andheal them.
If they die and are many to die, you just stop dps completely to save your mana.

You adapt to the party you are with, it's a logical thing. You won't play as efficiently in df than with your static. It's normal, you don't know who you are playing with.
But this isn't an excuse to just watch things happen. Healers have a of mana, and with a good mana management, throwing some dots on dead times won't hurt.

well with this comment Im still not sure people understand the sort of groups I have to heal b ut whatever I still dont want that pressure of being made to dps despite whether people think you can or not in the circumstances and some of those pressuring dont know anything about healing. Save mana huh? I dont have any after rezing three times in a row, then rely on other healer to heal the tank cos if they dont its curtains. The last few farms Ive been in for zurvan literally required spam healing the tank. If I stopped once to move or heal someone else tank would be practically dead even with regens. Also Im 270 gear on ast and I crit at least 16k you cant really blame my heals. This is due to other healer staying in cleric and tank not using cds or even tank stance in some cases. Ineresting or not I watched a video of an a8 clear when it was current this is important because Ive always stated its easy to dps in old content. The healers hardly went in cler and when they did tank died but I noticed after they got him up they dudnt go in cleric much at all, and you always got to be more ready to heal than dps

[Lambdafish]

well with this comment Im still not sure people understand the sort of groups I have to heal b ut whatever I still dont want that pressure of being made to dps despite whether people think you can or not in the circumstances and some of those pressuring dont know anything about healing

Did you ignore the last paragraph? It doesn't matter if they don't understand the parties, the logic still applies, if the party sucks and are dying lots then there are no gaps to DPS.

[Feyona]

An group like this also talks alot about, what they use when and thinks about ways to improve as a team. How can we reduce the dmg incoming for example? This is not only about healers or tanks, because dd have tools to reduce the dmg aswell. So you could ask the question "As a dd, is it my job to help the tanks/healers?" Would be a great discussion. The only hard part in the 24 man is people standing everywhere expect with their group and this means only a few get the aoe healing sometimes

Exactly this

[AmeliaVerves]

well with this comment Im still not sure people understand the sort of groups I have to heal

Then find yourself better groups. That is what I do.
Pug group messing up, so I need to heal as SCH in Zurvex farm (more than good timed shields)? Bye bye. Find yourself someone else.
Is it harsh? Yes.
Is it rude? Maybe, not as if I care.
I am not forcing my playstyle on them nor do I harrass them. I just leave. Because I have the same right as them: Playing like I want to.
That includes having a party that is good enough to give me free time to DPS.

If you don't want to leave those underperforming groups you have to deal with the consequences: not being able to DPS as much as you could in a better group.
So since this is something you chose to deal with, I don't see the problem.

Since you know the problem is other people messing up, why do you think it is your job to make up their mistakes? I don't even do it in my static.
Someone does a stupid mistake, messes up and dies? Well, I guess he learned something from it.
Yes, I am healer and yes, I like to heal, but I am not everyones nanny and I am not meant to be the mommy making up DDs mistakes so they can play like they want and don't need to care about mechanics.
That is not part of a healers job!

Don't get me wrong: I am not playing in a hardcore group and I do help my group including heals when people do mistakes. This can happen to everyone at any time.
But if someone keeps doing the same mistake over and over (for example not dodging a specific aoe) I wont heal him/her, because they are not doing their job. And dodging Aoes and playing mechanics properly (at least trying!) is their job.
And this is what happens the most in Pug groups. People dying because they don't know how to handle mechanics in the first place (wtf. in a farm group? just why?!) or being greedy with their dps.
Those are the two things I will not except in farm groups.

[Feyona]

Did you ignore the last paragraph? It doesn't matter if they don't understand the parties, the logic still applies, if the party sucks and are dying lots then there are no gaps to DPS.

This is the whole point, they will still expect you to dps because they dont understand you have to heal as well