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[Shougun]

Simulations?

I'm chuckling at that suggestion because design is so much less scientific than that. It really works like "hey this ability would look cool, lets see how it's used." Well not 100% like that but pretty close. There -is- a slight method involved with coming up with the basics. But after that, its a little haphazard.

Lol I believe that. In a general case I imagine making a simulation would be a bit wasteful, like why would you simulate Dishonored 2 or FFX.. just .. y? BUT for a game that is meant to be balanced for years, it might actually become something useful because it could reveal so many potential issues or player misunderstandings, as well as always letting you know (unless there is a bug) of "the best rotations". You'd not be surprised unless your simulation was bugged, because you'd know the best for the situation very likely before the best players knew it because Hal 9000 told you.

Honestly I think the content doesn't require them not because they're entirely unaware of any rotations but because they want the game to be aggressively approachable, except until its not lol.

[SenorPatty]

You know, I've been re-reading OPs post and I came to the conclusion that devs should try clearing the Ex and Savage content with classes. Not jobs, classes. Then, if they do manage to clear it, post it online and show that it can be done.

Because if they can't, then have player testers try. And if they can't, then it would finally prove in stone that they should put requirements beyond meeting a certain ilvl to complete those and thus quash the "play how I want mentality". Speaking of which, that would still have a place in the game as long as its made through PF and options to forego these requirements. It would also come with an automatic notification to other players in the premade party that the player has bypassed reqs.

[Vorx]

I could see the added option for setting up to exclude Classes or not, but only for anything post Heavenworth. The stuff before the expansion are fine for people who like to run as Classes since they are easy anyway.
I myself like to run Classes yes but i would never enter anything post Heavenworth because its setup harder then stuff pre-Heavenworth. To anyone who also likes playing classes i would suggest the same thing and then this whole problem will just take care of itself.

[Toyoyo]

Join A9S today using DF...I see a Gladiator...yes GLADIATOR...not PALADIN...GLADIATOR and a ARCHER in my group AT THE SAME TIME....WHY ARE THEY EVEN THERE?!?!?! This is a END GAME content supposedly "Savage" content...and you let people like this slip in the cracks...how does a Gladiator who doenst have Shield oath..expect to hold aggro off people in full 270? And ofc I leave...and then...Why must I be punished for 30 mins because of them?

Oooooh, I think I remember that A9S, it could very well be me and a friend.
If that's the case, you got a 30 min penalty because you left 7 people in a dead raid to queue again. That's it. Deal with it.

You could also have done your role, and got your loot in less then 10 minutes, as we did in the next run.

For Dps they would have 3 tests to pass:

Yes please!
I already kill the savage dummies near Idyllshire as archer, so please more of them!

SE added the class option when adding savages to DF, when it was not available when in RF (including in a full premade), so like it or not, it's perfectly fine to tag as a class for them now, as per game rules.
Not going to stop soon, and ready to carry you up to A12S with my class (and yes, I can do gates)

[Theodric]

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Even if it can be done, it isn't going to be ideal and will needlessly make things very, very grating for those who have to pick up the slack. I think it's completely fair to lock out classes completely for any instance beyond Haukke Manor. It'll also stop people trying to be 'special' by queuing up for content as a base class just because they feel that they're entitled to do so even at the detriment of those thrown into a party with them.

[Born_Free]

...even the In-Game Sprout Hut quests tell you to DPS between heals.
Please make this stop.

None of the classes, instances, or mechanics in this game are inherently difficult. At level 60, you should understand at the very least your basic rotations.

Unless of course....you leveled through the Palace of the Dead. But hey, I'm sure jump potions will help things, right guys?

[AmeliaVerves]

Unless of course....you leveled through the Palace of the Dead. But hey, I'm sure jump potions will help things, right guys?

I always wondered what those 'heal only'-Healers did in PotD.
Spammed heals even everyone was topped at 100%? Or idled/jumped around while everyone else was killing mobs? Confusing.

[Sida]

The classes have an option for rather wider variety of cross class skills, as well as 10 slots for them instead of just 5. With some clever choises and use, they can be funny challenging option and just as viable as jobs. That doesn't of course mean everyone who's lacking the job stone in the end game content knows what they are doing as we all know. Some might have just missed the job quests and are not very good with the classes either, but don't judge a book by it's cover.

[Endeleon]

Sounds more like you are running into bots. That SMN example reeks of it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Unless of course....you leveled through the Palace of the Dead. But hey, I'm sure jump potions will help things, right guys?

Actually... I think jump potions will help in this regard. People often develop habits they are unwilling or unable to easily break from. It's easier to teach someone entirely fresh. Like, say for instance we had those skips now. I'd be explaining to White Mages if you pop Divine Seal just as the tank finishes pulling, you can throw a Regen on them, maybe Asylum and go into Holy spam mode. Of course, that won't always be the case but you never know.