So Cleric Stance

[Mnemosynia]

-Tanks Get to do damage and be tanky and get to heal themselves.

-Dps gets to have amazing utility skills to lock down support or escape and do damage.

-And Healers Get to support (and btw with cleric stance you lose that support advantage while you dps while everyone keeps both)

Yeah sounds fair. The response to not having cleric stance is wait to be saved bro, if a healer is not around and your a dps or a tank you got coping skills. But if your a healer pop your cd's and no one comes get your ass handed to you and/or run away. I have no idea how you guys think its fair for every other class to be able to 1v1 or 1v2 fine if they are good but not healers your only option is to heal thru it and run or heal thru it and wait for some one to save you?

[Venoshock]

-Tanks Get to do damage and be tanky and get to heal themselves.

-Dps gets to have amazing utility skills to lock down support or escape and do damage.

-And Healers Get to support (and btw with cleric stance you lose that support advantage while you dps while everyone keeps both)

Yeah sounds fair. The response to not having cleric stance is wait to be saved bro, if a healer is not around and your a dps or a tank you got coping skills.

But if your a healer pop your cd's and no one comes get your ass handed to you and/or run away.

healers don't need to dps, because your team already has dps...what part of that don't you undersatnd? you're there to HEAL because you're a HEALER. You have utility to defend yourself and there's no situation where you need to do damage.

You should be reposing enemy players and healing your team and buffing them for the next encounter, that is your job. If you want to deal damage, level a dps class and deal damage.

p..s i just looked at your lodestone....and lol, for the love of god level your gladiator to ATLEAST 22 and get provoke, and level your conjurer to 34 for stone skin.

[Mnemosynia]

You have utility to defend yourself and there's no situation where you need to do damage.

You should be reposing enemy players and healing your team and buffing them for the next encounter, that is your job. If you want to deal damage, level a dps class and deal damage.

Tanks should have no way of dps'ing then since there's dps in the game.
Dps should have no way of saving themselves either or healing because there are healers.
There should be no way for any class to participate in any other stage of a fight other then the one that the role its designed to.

We should remove blood for blood and Convalescence and blood bath. Because it the job of the healer to heal and if anyone else heals we have balancing problems. You know what cure should be removed from black mages and physiq shold be removed from summoners too.

Is that what your saying because if its not your gonna have to give me more details.

[Venoshock]

Tanks should have no way of dps'ing then since there's dps in the game.
Dps should have no way of saving themselves either or healing because there are healers.
There should be no way for any class to participate in any other stage of a fight other then the one that the role its designed to.

We should remove blood for blood and Convalescence and blood bath. Because it the job of the healer to heal and if anyone else heals we have balancing problems. You know what cure should be removed from black mages and physiq shold be removed from summoners too.

Is that what your saying because if its not your gonna have to give me more details.

wrong, tanks aren't there to dps, genius, they're there to CC'd and defend/harass healers/black mages and before anyone says anything, outside of fell cleave, warrior can't dps much at all.

DPS has extremely limited amount of self healing and defensive buffs. You'd know this if you had a dps class leveled.

Healers can actually DPS if you did the whole thing what i said earlier - equip intelligence gear and go to town, you wont hit as hard as an actual dps class but hard enough to be somewhat of a threat.

Why should we remove blood for blood? what? and conva? convalescence HELPS healers. Why don't you work on getting the actual ability first. The healing abilities DPS has is not even powerful at all and tanks work completely differently in pvp compared to pve...and since when do summoners and black mages ever use cure? in pvp and pve?? they aren't healers....

Look, you obviously have no idea at all what you're on about. Just stop lol.

Don't need stone skin nocturnal stance...i don't even think you understand how astrologians work...

mitigation is mitigation, smarty pants. if you knew anything at all, which you obviously don't, you'd know One is insta cast, one isn't you'd use them differently depending on the situation. I've play AST in pvp, for over a year. You ain't even got your garo mounts yet lol.

[Magic-Mal]

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You must not play Feast or anything with living players. Try turning on Cleric Stance in Feast for 5secs and you'll see why it doesn't work. Our job as DPS is to well.. kill things! And help the team when we can. Use Mantra, Stun/Silence/Bind enemy team, give MP, and stop incoming damage if you're a SMN.

What the heck are you talking about with Healers relying on DPS? A good healer can fend off DPS for a long time. DPS and Tanks NEED healers if they want to survive longer than 5secs. Healers are capable of self-preservation. DPS are not.

Your job is to: Heal, stop incoming damage from DPS(that includes watching for bursts), support your team ESPECIALLY as an AST(It's the most supportive healer in PvP imo). Give cards, fend off enemies either by running, stopping, or asking the team for support. No you do not go kill the 3 people trying to kill you. That's not your job. Your job is to heal, not kill. No one said you couldn't attack. Which you can. Stun people, ->heavy people, push people. This is why your "Tanks shouldn't attack then! >:0" doesn't work. Tanks aren't DPS. They can attack people but they aren't built to kill. And news flash.. Tanks need to hit stuff to inflict the desired effect : p.

Your argument: "Other MMOs had it" doesn't work either. Why? Because this isnt "other MMO", it's FFXIV. Those rules don't apply.

You need to PvP more. Alot more before you try to tell everyone off. No one likes a know-it-all who doesn't have experience under his/her belt and then doesn't at least have the skill to have some form of backup. It doesn't work. Trust me.