So Cleric Stance

[Mnemosynia]

I hear cleric stance was removed because holy was too strong, and so instead of nerfing holy or all healer aoe's if that was the issue. You remove cleric stance?
I mean wtf who does this?

So why you guys making healers reliant on everyone else to get wins. I know dps is gonna be like i lost because my healer was noob. But they dps they know no better 55% of the game is dps and 10% of them actually know what they are talking about.
Jokes aside.

Bring cleric stance back in pvp because i'm and pretty god damn sure its forcing 20-40 percent of healers to not pvp or more, i just got mostly finished with the pve and the moment i found out cleric was gone i hung up the astro and decided to pvp on my DK and i can imagine im far from being the only healer who's done that.

Moral of the story getting rid of cleric stance will slow kill your pvp if it already hasn't bring it back or atleast a pvp version of it thats not as strong, or nerf healer aoe

[Stormfur]

I'm... a little confused. Why would you need cleric stance in PVP? It swaps your INT and MIND so that you do more attack damage right? You shouldn't be attacking if you're a healer on PVP. It's like throwing pebbles at the opposing team.

Or did I misunderstand?

[Venoshock]

I hear cleric stance was removed because holy was too strong, and so instead of nerfing holy or all healer aoe's if that was the issue. You remove cleric stance?
I mean wtf who does this?

So why you guys making healers reliant on everyone else to get wins. I know dps is gonna be like i lost because my healer was noob. But they dps they know no better 55% of the game is dps and 10% of them actually know what they are talking about.
Jokes aside.

Bring cleric stance back in pvp because i'm and pretty god damn sure its forcing 20-40 percent of healers to not pvp or more, i just got mostly finished with the pve and the moment i found out cleric was gone i hung up the astro and decided to pvp on my DK and i can imagine im far from being the only healer who's done that.

Moral of the story getting rid of cleric stance will slow kill your pvp if it already hasn't bring it back or atleast a pvp version of it thats not as strong, or nerf healer aoe

lol nah, I don't think you've realized this, but unlike pve, pvp is incredibly healing intensive. You don't have time to dps. Heal your team.

You could use your dps abilities in defensive ways that could help your team though;

-If you see an enemy running away from your melee dps? slow their ass down with swiftcast + stella/stone

-You need to get away from annoying enemy dps and/or interupt melee lb? swiftcast + ice 2/holy.

-you wanna interupt enemy bursts at the begining of the match whichnot only helps you but your team too? sprint + swiftcast +holy or sprint + celestial opp

-you want to push some one away from you and sometimes even kill them if you aim it properly? fluid aura


You gotta think outside the box and i know what I'm about to say is going to be taken out of context but in pvp, you are a healer + support. You are there for that only.


edit - now that i think about it, if for some reason you really wanted to dps as healer, you could just equip int accessories and wear the field commander set and go to town. It would gimp your healing though and people would think you're trolling.

[bounddreamer]

I don't think you understand the healer role in pvp. There's some great posts on how to be a good healer in pvp on this sub forum. Might want to check them out.

[Mnemosynia]

So basically 2 warriors and a dragoon just said Nah you don't need to be able to defend your self at all. So basically by your standard your dps classes shouldn't have any utility right your job is to do dps so why you need an escape, or a stun or a slow?

You reaction to healers have half there bar being useless is i want my heals so your not allowed to hurt anyone but yourself?
Moral of the story here now is basically if you wanna be a healer you need to be reliant on dps to get anything done, but if your dps a healer would make your life easier but it not needed because u can still get objectives done.


O gtfo people like you will refuse to heal on purpose.

[Commander_Justitia]

So why you guys making healers reliant on everyone else to get wins.

Good healers can carry way better bad dps as bad healer can carry good dps.

Please don't be that guy that lets dps at ice in frontlines die, because you want to deal dmg too. Without cleric stance your spells do only like 10-15% of the normal dmg, and ice has also that fancy 50% magic buff, because SE wanted to nerf blackmages, because they can attack from the distance (not like bards and machinist can do that too ? but whatever).

Listen to the girl

[Mnemosynia]

Good healers can carry way better bad dps as bad healer can carry good dps.

Without cleric stance your spells do only like 10-15% or the normal

No its a straight 50-60% damage loss.

[Venoshock]

So basically 2 warriors and a dragoon just said Nah you don't need to be able to defend your self at all.

I've played healer in over 1000 matches of FL and a great deal in feast ( i leveled healers just for pvp actually, scarcely heal in pve) and I know how to defend myself without personal dps thank you very much. I've listed 4 ways you can turn offensive abilities in pve into defensive abilities in pvp. You'd be wise to follow them.

You could also...idk, outheal damage taken or ask communicate with your team mates and tell them to defend you especially if you have a paladin with you. Use your pvp abilities and pve utility too. Research is all it takes. You'd then realise that stone 3 and malefic 2 are useless in pvp as it requires cast time and even with CS it won't do as much damage as any real dps.

You seem to have no idea what you're talking about. healers aren't useless. Try playing monk or dragoon when you have battle high/fever without one when you're up against more than one opponent then you'll see what i mean.

[Pireco]

As a astro and whm i can survive up to 2 (maybe 3 w whm) dps/tank easily, stun them and run for my team, i never felt confident enough to (for science) dps in pvp, only a few debuffs , for stun/heavy purposes , and i feel so proud when i can make my party live through intensive aggression, if cleric were on in pvp i can see a lot of healers forgeting their function to dps ineffectively instead, while their team dies one by one.
(Btw that comes from a main healer since 3.0, when i started to play)

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Healers heal and support their team in PvP.

If you're more worried about defending yourself, learn to utilize your cc/mitigation skills. At the worst, play a dps or tank.
Your team should be covering and defending you. Especially if they like living.
Nothing is 100% guaranteed. Once you're out of big healing CDs, if you're not out of danger, you're in trouble.
Icebound Tomeliths in Shatter have a 50% magic resistance. Healer dps on ice is a waste of MP.
Healers heal and support their team in PvP, end of story.