As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

Ive seen the videos and see how healers do it in pro group yes pressing buttons, but in most of those where the healer dpsing 80% of the time, I dont see anyone messing up mechanics, healer just puts regens and thats it, trust tank uses cds appropriately, and thats all that the group seems to require. I dont see people dying randomly, or failing mechanics. No wonder people in good groups thinks its easy. Think difficulty is set to account for people messing up. Unfortunately average healers get in average groups. Who do mess up as well as me. Theres also people that cant afford pro gaming mouses etc and play on comps and get act. Theres unfairness yes but not in that way

[Mnemosynia]

Just gonna say if you have everyone at max hp with a HoT and/or a sheild, and you just standing around you should play another class, playing with only half your skills is nonsense.

[Feyona]

[QUOTE=Mnemosynia;4112875]Just gonna say if you have everyone at max hp with a HoT and/or a sheild, and you just standing around you should play another class, playing with only have your skills is nonsense.[/QUOTEwell Ifor one dont stand around, some do maybe, I dont think Ive ever seen any healers standing around either, not in any content Ive been in. Seen it on videos, I will try and find some of wipes due to cleric though. These healers don't get chance to use cleric lol: watch 7 stages of zurrvan ex rant. Just a bit of fun that people think its easy

[Stormbad]

I do think healing is very different from dps. In wow I cant even remember this thing of 'unfairness' being an issue everyone knew that healing was hard in its own way, as not everyone could heal, most healers had to have 'addons' to do it efficiently. It justwasnt about how much up time etc it was about skill or ability to heal fast enough. Yes this is a different game and healers are saying they want more to do but really in current content I have plenty to do to heal in my groups. its only low content I can dps 90% Maybe synching could do with a tweek. Healing just isnt an auto rotation it does require more thinking or alertness not just on the boss but on eight people, all of the time constant retargetting always having to be ready to change immediately. Whereas dps may be watching rotations cds or whatever healers do as well. Ast has cards too has to think when to use certain cds or buffs, same as dps, but dps know when adds are coming. Healers dont know when someone going to get hit. I will even say here that healer already carries more pressure. Yes dps got pressure to dps but healer is responsible for entire group then you think about coordination with other healer too. Isnt these facters 'more effort'. Tanks may have more or less i dont know but when I play my tank it doesnt seem as much

Feyona, I'm going to point this out only to show you why sometimes people completely misunderstand you. You quoted a Kitfox saying "I feel like this is no different from DPS classes as it is." Then you responded to that quote with why you feel like healing is very different from dps.

What you did was take his statement completely out of context. He wasn't saying that healers and DPS are the same, if you read what he posted and what he quoted in his post, he was saying that healers doing their job and also must do mechanics and so do DPS classes, they must do their job and do mechanics. Both jobs doing their thing AND do mechanics is what Kitfox is saying.

So now, people read your post and are confused because it has nothing to do what you quoted from Kitfox, within his context.

Also, when you say "Tanks may have more or less i dont know but when I play my tank it doesnt seem as much" I guarantee you that in the harder content, it is absolutely an expectation that they are maximizing their DPS as well as well as doing their "job" of aggro control, mitigation, positioning and doing mechanics.

Healers in FFXIV is not special in any way. Every archetype has an optimal way to play (I'm talking harder content here) and they are all equally responsible and all equally complex. When I see people claiming that their job is special, or hard, or somehow more responsible, I can assume they just haven't played the other jobs in the same hard content.

[Feyona]

Feyona, I'm going to point this out only to show you why sometimes people completely misunderstand you. You quoted a Kitfox saying "I feel like this is no different from DPS classes as it is." Then you responded to that quote with why you feel like healing is very different from dps..

Im not sure then because I was reading kitfox and judges comments about fairness and how much up time people may still have and reading about how it would impact healer contribution, compaired to removing cleric and softening dps, and is it fair to set it at max output for both.. And thought that the posts were talking about fairness of contribution being the same for healers as it is for dps and its not different. if I mis understood the point I apologise. And about tanks I sort of do know its not an easy job. Really Im not sure healing and dps is as easy as what people think either. That doesnt take away the fact that I believe healing is a different criteria to dps with a different focus

[Taika]

Ive seen the videos and see how healers do it in pro group yes pressing buttons, but in most of those where the healer dpsing 80% of the time, I dont see anyone messing up mechanics, healer just puts regens and thats it, trust tank uses cds appropriately, and thats all that the group seems to require. I dont see people dying randomly, or failing mechanics.

I'd just like to point out that people rarely post the videos where they themselves or their party members mess up, and that's probably why you don't see them. I know I only post our first wins (which are usually smooth because we have pushed ourselves towards that one perfect-enough-to-win run for weeks) and then my team's best run. 99% of my videos consist of silly mistakes, wipes, and messy victories, and those don't get posted. If you want to see good healers performing well (DPS included) in hard content on messy runs, watch streams. Those aren't cherry picked to show only the smoothest runs.

[Feyona]

I'd just like to point out that people rarely post the videos where they themselves or their party members mess up, and that's probably why you don't see them. I know I only post our first wins (which are usually smooth because we have pushed ourselves towards that one perfect-enough-to-win run for weeks) and then my team's best run. 99% of my videos consist of silly mistakes, wipes, and messy victories, and those don't get posted. If you want to see good healers performing well (DPS included) in hard content on messy runs, watch streams. Those aren't cherry picked to show only the smoothest runs.

I was thinking that while I was looking

[Mnemosynia]

I'd just like to point out that people rarely post the videos where they themselves or their party members mess up, and that's probably why you don't see them. I know I only post our first wins (which are usually smooth because we have pushed ourselves towards that one perfect-enough-to-win run for weeks) and then my team's best run. 99% of my videos consist of silly mistakes, wipes, and messy victories, and those don't get posted. If you want to see good healers performing well (DPS included) in hard content on messy runs, watch streams. Those aren't cherry picked to show only the smoothest runs.

People here are actually doing the content...and as a healer whos doing the hard content, i find time to dps. In almost every fight i have been with the exception of maybe diablo, that guy is something else.

[Stormbad]

People here are actually doing the content...and as a healer whos doing the hard content, i find time to dps. In almost every fight i have been with the exception of maybe diablo, that guy is something else.

LOL, I feel the same way with Diabolos. If the raid DPS is low, he will absolutely wipe the group spamming his shared-damage AOE over and over again on the MT. No amount of healing will save that. You'll just run OOM.

[Sebazy]

At the risk of sounding really elitist. The 24 man content isn't the hard content, please keep this in mind =(

To clarify, raids failing the Diablos DPS check is more of an issue to with the average skill level across the player base as a whole. Or more specifically, SE doing an awful job of teaching people at the level cap how to play effectively.

Maat would be appalled at this state of affairs =(