seeing all these total newbie tank is hilarious

[ManuelBravo]

It depends. I don't use Flash often, but if I am low on TP, and there is still AE enmity need, I go to Flash. Sometimes I mix it into my Overpower spam just to be a bit more conservative on TP. Depends on the group really, but I have occasions where it is handy.

Like all things tank, it depends on the dungeon, the group, etc.

For WAR Infuriate > Tomahawk/Overpower > Brutal Swing > Heavy Swing > Unchained > Skull Sunder > wait until GCD is almost done, then Berserk > Butcher's Block > SE combo > Fracture > BB combo > Inner Beast > pacified and time your overpower and not over use it can insure you don't use flash. Your better of using a different trait instead.


Even at low level as long as you know how to manage over power there should be no reason you use flash. At low levels, being your tank, you can mark targets for lower dungeons to ensure party knows were to focus, makes rotating combos a lot easier also than DPS going to different targets and making you over work.

Why would you spam Over power? unless your using blood bath and about to be ko'd? Unless your way under gear i guess.

you could also do Defiance, infuriate, unchained, berserk, bloodbath, tomahawk, heavy swing, skull sunder, butchers lock. to pull as well or start with storms eye.

[Kitfox]

For WAR Infuriate > Tomahawk/Overpower > Brutal Swing > Heavy Swing > Unchained > Skull Sunder > wait until GCD is almost done, then Berserk > Butcher's Block > SE combo > Fracture > BB combo > Inner Beast > pacified and time your overpower and not over use it can insure you don't use flash. Your better of using a different trait instead.


Even at low level as long as you know how to manage over power there should be no reason you use flash. At low levels, being your tank, you can mark targets for lower dungeons to ensure party knows were to focus, makes rotating combos a lot easier also than DPS going to different targets and making you over work.

Why would you spam Over power? unless your using blood bath and about to be ko'd? Unless your way under gear i guess.

you could also do Defiance, infuriate, unchained, berserk, bloodbath, tomahawk, heavy swing, skull sunder, butchers lock. to pull as well or start with storms eye.

That's... not how you WAR anything.

[Venjenz]

Why would you spam Over power?

Because I have DPS who can AE effectively, and I want them to be able to AE to their heart's content and not draw aggro away from me? Speed runs with big pulls? All I need to do in those cases is make sure I keep all the enmity on me, while my DPS wreck face with impunity. For a WAR, that is Overpower, Flash, and if available, Steel Cyclone/Decimate. I need enmity on every mob every time I press a button. That lets DPS do their thing and gives the healer exactly one person to worry about healing.

That's why you would spam Overpower. As far as your listed combo goes...lol. That's one way to do things I guess. :O

[ManuelBravo]

Because I have DPS who can AE effectively, and I want them to be able to AE to their heart's content and not draw aggro away from me? Speed runs with big pulls? All I need to do in those cases is make sure I keep all the enmity on me, while my DPS wreck face with impunity. For a WAR, that is Overpower, Flash, and if available, Steel Cyclone/Decimate. I need enmity on every mob every time I press a button. That lets DPS do their thing and gives the healer exactly one person to worry about healing.

That's why you would spam Overpower. As far as your listed combo goes...lol. That's one way to do things I guess. :O

Over power may have it's many uses as a start but to spam it constantly can sometimes be a WAR downfall if not properly geared or handle rotations properly. If you go that route I would recommend practicing and time it with blood bath as a combo. As a WAR is rare I lose enmity just use it as an overall with blood bath, unless you have those crazy suicidal blm's ...they are nice to keep you on your toes at times :P Also you can carry some Max potions being they are cheap you can use one while pulling and get a boost to enmity at start. Being they are pretty cheap they help as a quick starter. I play war for fun just because its a bit more challenging but over all for long / big pulls I would stick more with DRK. Extremely rare I lose enmity and can sprint and use abyssila drain, by the time I stop pulling I have my TP back :P

[Venjenz]

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For the third time in this thread, I will say that Overpower/Flash spam IS SITUATIONAL. Sometimes, I get the synched down DPS that can AE like maniacs, so my job shifts to AE enmity instead of following "The Perfect Rotation As Specified By Forum Elitists"©. Sometimes, it's the most effective way to speed through a dungeon, and my job boils down to just making sure the healer only has one person to heal. And yeah, at 54, sometimes I get DPS who are WAY better geared than me, so they can AE and I need to be on my toes.

Tanking is situational. That I can accept that does not make me a bad tank or in need of time on the practice dummy. And I know about the cooldowns, oGCDs and other situational stuff. This topic was about using Flash and generating AE enmity, and the claim got made WAR shouldn't ever use Flash, which some situations would say is nonsense. Take the pacification after Berserk. Sometimes, you may have more than one mob left when pacification hits, and oh hey, Flash is still available since it does no DPS. And oh btw, in hectic add situations, Flash doesn't need to be targeted as it is PBAE, which makes it very useful for grabbing AE snap enmity in a hurry. Etc etc.

[ManuelBravo]

For the third time in this thread, I will say that Overpower/Flash spam IS SITUATIONAL...... Tanking is situational. That I can accept that does not make me a bad tank or in need of time on the practice dummy

Their right it is funny seeing new tanks, to each their own. You don't need a training dummy for tanking...you need live experience.

[LeeraSorlan]

For the third time in this thread, I will say that Overpower/Flash spam IS SITUATIONAL. Sometimes, I get the synched down DPS that can AE like maniacs, so my job shifts to AE enmity instead of following "The Perfect Rotation As Specified

The only situation where you would need to spam overpower to keep aggro is if you are undergeared.


No dps will be able to rip aggro if you play war right with buffs and are around the same gear level. Simple. If you are needing to OP spam to hold aggro id reccommend checking your rotation and seeing where you can improve.


Flash is 99% useless and the 1% time it isnt is for emergency situations that were caused by the tanks own blunder (getting pacified shortly before a horde of enemies spawn).


Other than that, i guess you could just use it for extra "why not" padding during pacification, but its generally useless. Ive had flash on my war up to lvl 45 before i realized i never use it, and i dont miss it.

i understand you dont have war at 60 yet, and perhaps you didnt have a longtime lvl 50 war during ARR, so the learning process is still in effect for you, but once you get more accustomed to war, you will find yourself as well, almost never or if ever, using flash.

[Mikazuki_Aura]

Flash is more a Paladin thing for the damage reduction from blind. Warrior doesn't get that, so unless you're low on TP for some reason, mobs are so far apart they can only be reached with a flash in their centre or you're Pacified, overpower's ability to damage mobs is always superior since they have exactly the same Threat.

[Venjenz]

The only situation where you would need to spam overpower to keep aggro is if you are undergeared.

No dps will be able to rip aggro if you play war right with buffs and are around the same gear level. Simple. If you are needing to OP spam to hold aggro id reccommend checking your rotation and seeing where you can improve.

Flash is 99% useless and the 1% time it isnt is for emergency situations that were caused by the tanks own blunder (getting pacified shortly before a horde of enemies spawn).

Other than that, i guess you could just use it for extra "why not" padding during pacification, but its generally useless. Ive had flash on my war up to lvl 45 before i realized i never use it, and i dont miss it.

i understand you dont have war at 60 yet, and perhaps you didnt have a longtime lvl 50 war during ARR, so the learning process is still in effect for you, but once you get more accustomed to war, you will find yourself as well, almost never or if ever, using flash.

Couple points:

1) I am still leveling and gearing up, so sometimes I am very far behind the DPS in the gear power curve. I did the Vault for the first time yesterday, and I was the only one who didn't get sync'd down. I didn't spam it, but I added a Flash to every initial Overpower on trash packs. Nobody seemed to mind, or if they did, they didn't mind enough to say anything. Maybe they weren't expecting me to do much besides hold AE aggro.

2) I do understand my rotations, but not every DPS understands which order to take mobs down, even with marks. Sometimes, in that 4-6 mob pull, DPS fixates on mob 5 while you are working rotations and moving down the line. When a mob turns to run off and I don't want to interrupt a rotation, Flash works just fine. It's on my bar for a reason, same as Provoke, which might get used once every 3-4 DF runs.

3) I screw up plenty, but not everything is based on my screw up. If I mark 1-2-3, and DPS starts with 3, that's not on me, but rather than adhere to some hard and fast rotation rule for the sake of forum purity, I may hit Flash. Once again, I use it infrequently enough that I almost always have full MP when I do use it, and it doesn't interrupt any of my TP combos. It can be and is very handy that way.

4) Sometimes, the DPS is such that it's all big pulls and sick AE. My job at that point changes from proper enmity rotations to flinging Tomahawks, running between packs with Flash (since it is PBAE, insta-cast and doesn't require a target to work properly), and then simply holding AE enmity while my DPS does their AE "nuke the world" thing. And even then, I can't spam Flash because 4-5 casts puts a WAR OOMP. I just mix it in to make my DF life easier sometimes.

Bottom line, there are times where Flash is the perfect tool for the job. It is not keybound to any of my G13 keys and I have to actually click it, so it is a background tool, but a tool that has uses nonetheless.

[Hierro]

Couple points:

2) I do understand my rotations, but not every DPS understands which order to take mobs down, even with marks. Sometimes, in that 4-6 mob pull, DPS fixates on mob 5 while you are working rotations and moving down the line.

4) Sometimes, the DPS is such that it's all big pulls and sick AE. My job at that point changes from proper enmity rotations to flinging Tomahawks, running between packs with Flash [...] then, I can't spam Flash because 4-5 casts puts a WAR OOMP.

Why are you numbering enemies in a large mob? Forget kill order, it's all AoE at that point. Put up maim, use bloodbath, use berserk, and spam overpower. Even if your offensive cooldowns are down, you want to spam overpower instead of flash.