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    gumas's Avatar
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    Rawon Special
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 100

    seeing all these total newbie tank is hilarious

    ever since SE open the F2P limitation, getting more newbie player in DF: levelling nowadays, not a bad thing considering they are indeed new and learning but still...

    *tank run to mobs do halone combo*
    healer: "tank dont engage like that, use flash 1 or 2 times then your halone"
    tank: "ok"
    *mobs still 10 meters ahead, cast flash on the spot twice then run to mobs*

    ayyy lmao

    on the other hand its nice to see this game getting more player though, first time i see gridania packed with people
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    Last edited by gumas; 04-17-2017 at 05:42 PM.

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    Cecilious Spina
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    Brynhildr
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    And this is why not a lot of people tank. They get criticized for trying/learning.....
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    Culfinrandir's Avatar
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    Culfinrandir Caladel
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    Fisher Lv 70
    At least you did the decent thing & didn't take the tank's job. I'm just levelling tanks after being caster/healer since 2.2 & in 90% of the content either a melee sprints ahead to pull or a ranged DPS pulls whilst I'm on my way to the mobs. I'm not going to pop sprint & use all my TP & I understand that a 1s delay feels like an eternity to you but *please* don't pull something that will inevitably rip your face off before I can even get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaj85 View Post
    And this is why not a lot of people tank. They get criticized for trying/learning.....
    More correctly: They are anonymously made fun of on a separate platform for failing to:
    1. Do their class quests and reading the objectives shouted at them (They tell you what flash is for)
    2. Do the hall of the novice and reading the objectives shouted at them (They tell you what flash is for)
    3. Reading their tooltips (They, too, tell you what flash is for)
    4. Trying out the skills they got 7+++ levels in advance to check their range and what they do

    My apologies, but such a person would be made fun of regardless of what role he takes. He skipped straight past everything that's trying to teach him.
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    Selena Schwarz
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    More correctly: They are anonymously made fun of on a separate platform for failing to:
    1. Do their class quests and reading the objectives shouted at them (They tell you what flash is for)
    2. Do the hall of the novice and reading the objectives shouted at them (They tell you what flash is for)
    3. Reading their tooltips (They, too, tell you what flash is for)
    4. Trying out the skills they got 7+++ levels in advance to check their range and what they do

    My apologies, but such a person would be made fun of regardless of what role he takes. He skipped straight past everything that's trying to teach him.
    Agreed to everything said.
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    LilLemay's Avatar
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    Emily Hunter
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    More correctly: They are anonymously made fun of on a separate platform for failing to:
    1. Do their class quests and reading the objectives shouted at them (They tell you what flash is for)
    2. Do the hall of the novice and reading the objectives shouted at them (They tell you what flash is for)
    3. Reading their tooltips (They, too, tell you what flash is for)
    4. Trying out the skills they got 7+++ levels in advance to check their range and what they do

    My apologies, but such a person would be made fun of regardless of what role he takes. He skipped straight past everything that's trying to teach him.
    I mean, she's got a point
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    Matthias Gendrin
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    More correctly: They are anonymously made fun of on a separate platform for failing to:
    1. Do their class quests and reading the objectives shouted at them (They tell you what flash is for)
    2. Do the hall of the novice and reading the objectives shouted at them (They tell you what flash is for)
    3. Reading their tooltips (They, too, tell you what flash is for)
    4. Trying out the skills they got 7+++ levels in advance to check their range and what they do

    My apologies, but such a person would be made fun of regardless of what role he takes. He skipped straight past everything that's trying to teach him.
    To be completely fair, the ability in question here (Flash), is really tricky to time with its delay. I've been tanking at cap for almost all of Heavensward, and I still mess it up sometimes (trying to corale some of the mobs that rush towards you in Baelsar's Wall can be acutely frustrating that way).

    The bigger problem is, though, that the sort of deferred criticism you're describing is too often not deferred. People can get downright nasty in a dungeon, especially if someone is underperforming. It's also not as anonymous as you think. I've seen more than a few instances of such "anonymous" complaining actually being found by the people being complained about. Often if someone doesn't do well, they know it. If they then do a Google search and find that someone else in the group took to the forums to specifically complain about them? That just feels bad, man.

    With what OP described though, I can see it as amusing, because: (1) the healer engaged with the tank to try to help them get better, and (2) the tank actually listened and implemented the healer's advice. No, the tank did not execute perfectly, but they were making an effort, and a rookie mistake. Which is amusing because we've all been there, and we've all made those mistakes.

    Besides which, all of that effort you described could be saved for the new tank if the healer had added "when you're in range" to the bit about using Flash.
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    Last edited by Jpec07; 04-18-2017 at 01:01 AM.
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    Ratithgar Jovasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jpec07 View Post
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    I agree. But, it is also fair to say that if you are actively ignoring all the teaching tools in the game, you are inviting ridicule.
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    Roj Gardoth
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    Jenova
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    LOL, Flash! That's the point of all this right? xD
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    Shinigami Zetta
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RojGardoth View Post
    LOL, Flash! That's the point of all this right? xD
    The proper use is to range pull, flash every 8 sec or so, rotate combinations, AOE rotate (later on ) up to 50. at 51+ need to use new moves as well into rotations as a PLD mainly. DRK and WAR are different, they really shouldn't even be using flash.
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    Last edited by ManuelBravo; 04-18-2017 at 03:34 AM. Reason: addition

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