Aren't trials a waste of resources?

[technole]

Current primals are just introductions and the path to unlock the Extreme version. Many posters in here haven't even attempted or cleared the Extreme versions, so they don't have a good basis saying they are waste.

Which is a bad design choice, since these are required to progress the MSQ or sidestory quest, and yet have no incentive for doing them more than once. It's not awful now, but in a year or two, trying to get a group to clear these trials is gonna be a nightmare unless you can get some friends together, or get lucky with trial and mentor roulette filling your group for you.

Titan HM can still be a disaster on so many levels today, won't matter. Yet it's required for the MSQ twice, and once per ARR relic.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Which is a bad design choice, since these are required to progress the MSQ or sidestory quest, and yet have no incentive for doing them more than once. It's not awful now, but in a year or two, trying to get a group to clear these trials is gonna be a nightmare unless you can get some friends together, or get lucky with trial and mentor roulette filling your group for you.

Only EXs really have any trouble filling and that is mainly because they are either not in a roulette or only in the mentor roulette. The trial roulette actually does a good job filling the hardmode/storymode trials.

They will be buffing the roulette rewards in SB so things should improve even more.

It wouldn't take much, just a few shiny objects of questionable practical value; the fanbase is quite easily motivated by glamour.

Until the players who want them have all the pieces they want and then they would die. Consider Odin, after players got their glamour and card rewards they stopped queuing for it until WT was added.

[Feidam]

I just wish they would do primals like in ARR. the basic mode is quick and easy and you get to the see primal. The hard mode version grants a weapon that is decent for starting the endgame content. Extreme 's are for players that want extra hard encounters and grant more powerful rewards. I love the primal fights. It's like raid light content that doesn't require large chunks of time in any one sitting.

[CosmicKirby]

They should make HMs a little harder & have them drop weak but viable weapons. Like 235 For Sophia, 245 for Zurvan.

Well, worth considering for Stormblood's Primals, but currently it's a pretty moot point to add them into the game for all of 2 months, even a player gearing from fresh 60 would use that weapon for two or three days before they replaced it.

[Kosmos992k]

Yeah, I've commented on another thread that Cape Wastewind should be synced to level 49. It was made for level 49 characters (that don't even have their full rotation) in i45~ gear and we're doing it at i130...

Level sync is entirely too lose on many trials (and dungeons).

[Ririta]

Many posters in here haven't even attempted or cleared the Extreme versions, so they don't have a good basis saying they are waste.

Aren't you supporting my argument with this?

[Zojha]

Many posters in here haven't even attempted or cleared the Extreme versions, so they don't have a good basis saying they are waste.

Uhm...
Could it "possibly" be that people are considering the trials a waste "because" they have no interest in the extreme version in the first place and therefore never bothered to step into them?

People usually don't call content they semi-regularly engage in a "waste", but rather content they (and large parts of their social circle) don't engage in.

[RaijinSupreme]

No. If I had to fight trash for 20 minutes just to fight a watered down, mediocre version of these trials, I would never do them.

I had too much fun with Thordan EX & Sephirot EX, and if they were placed in dungeons, the fights would not have been nearly as challenging.

[CosmicKirby]

Uhm...
Could it "possibly" be that people are considering the trials a waste "because" they have no interest in the extreme version in the first place and therefore never bothered to step into them?

People usually don't call content they semi-regularly engage in a "waste", but rather content they (and large parts of their social circle) don't engage in.

Which is completely fair, but doesn't make them correct in their claim that it's a waste.
At how few people playing or enjoying content is something a waste? Is it proportionate to how much dev time it takes to make the content? What's the magic ratio?

Some people would want us to drop the MSQ all together and only have the devs focus on Savage Content.
Some would want us to complete drop Savage Content and triple the focus on glamour.
Some would want us to put a much greater emphasis and reward for crafting, perhaps at the cost of how rewarding other aspects of the game are.

I think it's fair to say that a lot of the features square adds into the game are compromises on things like these. It'd be imposible to find something we could point at and directly call a waste team resources.






Except for Chocobo racing.

[Zojha]

It'd be imposible to find someone we could point at and directly call a waste team resources.

I'd nominate the spectator mode for PvP >_>