Forcing players to pay to keep housing is unfair.

[HyoMinPark]

My issue is busybody thinking like this. Whatever someone does with something they invested millions to tens of millions of gil into is nobody's business but their own. Fact of the matter is, they allocated their time and resources into getting that house, and they got it before any competition managed it. In my mind 'fair' stops factoring into the equation after that point and it becomes a game of haves vs have nots.

So if we equated this situation to something in the real world, would you still stand by what you said then? If someone invested hundreds of thousands of dollars into a nice home, but then never used it? What would even be the point? Perhaps this is unrelated to the topic at hand, but if this is your opinion, would it still apply to different situations?

That's fine if you consider it okay to own things and never use them. But it's also fine for others (and myself) to think you're just wasting your money (or gil), and that people who would use the item should have the opportunity to do so, something that isn't possible in this game with housing so limited.

And I would hardly call my thinking "busybody." Thinking that it's silly for people to own things they never use, and think they have the right to keep owning stuff they never use just because "this is my sub, I pay for it" is not meddling, nor is it prying.

[Dualgunner]

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It is a thing in the real world. Storage facilities make a lot of money off of people who own things but don't use them--a monthly fee, in fact. And unlike in the game there is no way to just instantiate storage facilities irl.

I never said meant to imply people weren't allowed to have thoughts and opinions separate to mine. It's fine if you think that people are silly for owning things they don't need or use. I don't even disagree that it is silly and, in real life, a dangerous habit to have. My line in the sand is when people advocate for those resources to be forcefully taken from people just because they aren't using them.

In response to the last paragraph there, I'm not entirely sure how to interpret what you mean.

"Thinking that it's silly for people to own things they never use," I wouldn't consider this a busybody type of thought, either.

"and think they have the right to keep owning stuff they never use just because "this is my sub, I pay for it"" If that is how you feel, then were are birds of a feather. If you just misplaced a 'not' somewhere, then that is exactly where, like with that other user, we'll have to agree to disagree. If they own it, and don't use it, they still own it and they still support the game even if they don't play it. This sentence in particular:

"If a player is only going to use their house once a month, why even invest so much gil into it, or even own it in the first place? Like with the OP, if someone is going to invest millions of gil into an estate, I would hope that they would use it more than just once a month." Smacks of busybody to me. "If they're not going to use a house the way I would/would want to, they're just wasting the plot and should give it up."

If this was not your complete thought or idea regarding the subject, then I apologize for pulling you out of context. The quote I mined in particular, however, is emblematic of the issue I have with a lot of people arguing that players should have their homes auto-demoed.

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If you can't be bothered to log in ONCE every 44 days then you do not deserve a house, period.

This is the kind of sentiment I'm talking about. "If you don't use your virtual property the way I deem necessary, you do not DESERVE that and must give it up."

A) They put the initial time and resource investment into the game (gil) to get the house. The house is a onetime payment.
B ) They got there before anyone else
C) In this hypothetical the player is still paying their sub, thus still supporting the game so they're doing as much for the game as they would be if they used their house obsessively

Ideally housing would be overhauled to be more like WildStar's, but as it is it feels like an endless spiral of Team Hoarder VS Team Vulture.

[Nyerieri]

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Hmm.. I wonder what is wrong with your thinking then. You are comparing pixels to real life storage. I'm going to say it like this; (besides the fact you are comparing apples to oranges)

No, not everyone is entitled to everything in the game. Also, despite popular belief, no one is a special snowflake in this game. That is where most of the defense for the "We need to extend the 45 day timer or remove the auto demo because its unfair!". Fun fact: Nothing in life is 100% fair. Too bad we don't live in a perfect world huh?

Also; Don't use the defense of they sunk so much gil into the house. Cmon, if you didn't know housing was a gil sink, you didn't do your homework. Sure, they are fun to decorate, but I expect no return out of them.

It ultimately boils down to this, if you can't log in ONCE every 44 days to keep your house, you have bigger issues going on that you need to address. Maybe quit the game? Let it get auto demolished and get some of your gil back? Lots of options.

Maybe if I say this enough it'll catch on; SE is being way too generous with the current 45 day timer. I would be happy with it, because you know, you could end up with, lets say, a 30-35 day auto demo, or what the other person suggested, a way to decrease the remaining time on your house via gil or some token. Be careful what you ask for.

[Dualgunner]

Hmm.. I wonder what is wrong with your thinking then. You are comparing pixels to real life storage. I'm going to say it like this; (besides the fact you are comparing apples to oranges).

My thinking was as follows:

Question: "What if this was RL? Would it still be fair?"
Me: *provides example of it being RL and still being fair*

I also don't go around telling people what they do and don't deserve based on how they use the things they invested in being different from how I use them.

[HyoMinPark]

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The discussion has sort of devolved and deviated from the opening post, but the person who started this thread stated clearly that they wanted to take a break from playing FFXIV and NOT have an active subscription, but they also felt that they had the right to their housing even though they were no longer going to even be an active subscriber for however long they wanted to unsub. They also started bringing up extreme situations trying to justify their point, such as "I could be in the hospital dying, why is it fair that my house gets demolished?"

Other posters came here to say that as long as they are paying a sub, they should get to keep their housing, whether they are using it or not, and whether they enter the estate or not. Which made myself and others question: "why own something if you aren't going to be bothered to take 60 seconds of your playtime to even just walk through the door? Why not invest in an apartment that requires little to no maintenance, instead of saying you should get to keep your mostly unused plot/what you want because you pay a game sub. So does everyone else."

That in turn changed this discussion into the "people who aren't using their plots are going to lose them, and those who would actually use them should have the opportunity to do so" discussion that we are having now.

The fact that housing is so limited is not a fault of any group of players presented in this thread, from those that actively use a house to those that barely even touch it. That is entirely a fault of SE, and yes, they should do something to rectify it (be in instanced housing or more wards or whatever). But the fact is that housing is limited, and it is competitive, and if a person isn't going to actively use a resource that is so limited, why hold it for them when there are other potential plot owners that would actively use it?

Sorry if my post sounded snippy or rude. I wasn't trying to be. Just this thread is so full of (I hate to say it, but) entitlement, and people wanting SE to give them special snowflake treatment, that it's mildly aggravating. I stand by what I said in my first post on this topic: if something happens that is so bad that you cannot log into a game for an extended period of time (illness, financial problems, natural disaster, work/military deployment/other life responsibilities), and you care so much about a virtual house, you need to sit down and straighten your priorities out. And I stand by if you aren't going to be bothered to even ENTER your estate JUST ONCE for 60 SECONDS in 44 days, but then whine about it being demolished, or how you can't just hold on to something you aren't even using just because you pay a subscription, then why even own it in the first place?