Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

[Kyuuen]

Yoshi wishes the mention of Viera had been left off the race survey, it wasn't. He did not want the Au Ra concept art assets shown, they were. Time and again this request is made, time and again detractors and disparagers rally against it as if though their inclusion would be detrimental to them in some form or another, why?

That's right, in retrospect Yoshi wishes he had never used Viera as the example used to give people an idea of what was meant for that voting option, because people who can't read and grasp the ex meant example, it was not; nor ever, meant as what we were going to receive. He also wished the Au'Ra concept was never shown because he knew it would only perpetuate the situation and he was right. As to why, because people have differing opinions, because you got you're Mammalian beast-man race in the Au'Ra (even though it's reptilian), because there's things to fix with the current races. There's a whole slew of reasons just as equally fair and important to other people as your opinion is to you.

Though the difference is subtle, that does not mean it's unwanted or undesirable. People groan and complain that there are to many of these threads, should that not be an inclination as to what many in the community want? Even threads made specifically to counter those championing Viera are unable to keep up, why is that? Many in the player base want this option, have been patiently waiting for this. The title isn't Viera or riot it's :Viera as the next new race- Show your support: so of course 66 pages later supporters have defend their view to people who thinly cover their arguments against implementation as "discussion".

If my memory serves me well; and it typically does, there was a sister thread made in opposition to this very thread "Anything but Viera" and it quickly out grew this thread and also had more likes at the time. So using this thread as some form of confirmation of what should be next is not a form that should be used to choose what should be next.

I do not want the compromises you have suggested. I want the dev team to concede and give us what was voted for and therefore expected of them as a promise made in 1.0. however it was meant, whatever the intent a clear winner was chosen. If the dev. team didn't mean to sway the vote in such a way using Viera as an example then their payed professional staff should have cleared it up before the results were tallied.

That damn race poll from 1.0

So in short you just want to be child and throw fits because you're not getting your way? Not a good way to go about convincing anyone of anything.

Viera was NEVER a promise, ever. It was an example used to give people an idea of what the intent was. Arguably we got what was voted for except instead of mammalian we got reptilian. Which made more sense in lore due to the whole Dragon Song war, though I feel not enough was done with it, but that's a whole other matter.

People really need to stop perpetuating this "Viera promise" shtick. If you want Viera that's fine, but stop spreading this falsehood of unfulfilled promise/s.

[UsagiAndCrepes]

So they are Miqote instead then. You are right that this is more likely how Viera will be designed but these just look like tanned Miqote (or more accurately Mithra) with rabbit ears.

If you think they look like mithra that's fine. Of course they are a humanoid race with animal features, which is also what mithra are.

One thing that isn't true is that this has to be bad. Actually item designs fit all races and if a race is too different you have to redo all the models from scratch. So any race they add is always going to be like other races because that's more economical in development time and also game resources.

You can't combine bunny crown with hats and helmets and there are other things that make it just not quite right but people do play viera like that even still. Viera would be a very popular race even if it is "just like miqo'te"

But I doubt devs read anything here so it's just ppl with opinions talking about what they like.

[Bloody]

I'd just like to point out that the last thread someone made about this even included a poll, and boy were they disappointed when the poll they thought would prove their point backfired. Viera is the most asked for race, but it is nowhere near what the majority want. The vast majority of players want more options for existing races. Viera is just something wanted by an extremely vocal minority, with a lot of them feeling like special snowflake or that spamming the same topic repeatedly in different threads somehow proves the importance of their demands (FYI, neither thing is true).

[Ghastly]

Those against it are the real vocal minority.

[Kyuuen]

Those against it are the real vocal minority.

Interesting. I'd like to see those metrics, please do share the data you seem to have that we don't on this matter. Or is this just a narrative to dismiss others that disagree with your perspective?

[Ghastly]

Interesting. I'd like to see those metrics, please do share the data you seem to have that we don't on this matter. Or is this just a narrative to dismiss others that disagree with your perspective?

I'm using his argument against him. Read his message dismissing those supporting viera as the minority.
Yet this proves otherwise

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

http://www.strawpoll.me/4210217/r

Instead of nitpicking comments, you should read the comments in context. It would help you a lot, instead of rushing to assumptions.

[Kyuuen]

I'm using his argument against him. Read his message dismissing those supporting viera as the minority.
Yet this proves otherwise

Apologies then.

Instead of nitpicking comments, you should read the comments in context. It would help you a lot, instead of rushing to assumptions.

However, making an eight word statement in a 67 page thread, with no quote or name on who it's being directed at, leaves no contextualization for the reader, except for what they make of it. Don't want assumptions, then be direct. But that's semantics, won't bother going there. =P

[Bloody]

I'm using his argument against him. Read his message dismissing those supporting viera as the minority.
Yet this proves otherwise

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

http://www.strawpoll.me/4210217/r

Except your strawpoll is a strawman argument. DamianFatale posted a strawpoll that was not quite as voted on as this one, but was very clearly balanced in the options, whereas this one literally only asks questions about Viera. Also, even in that poll, the votes for would or would not play are a) both minorities and b) very similar in percentages. Please also notice how in that 1.0 poll, the mixed heritages races and more clans for current are also highly sought. Furthermore, that poll merely uses Viera as an example, not as what the race would be. It's about creating images in people's heads (which can often backfire if too specific) about what is possible, not what will be. Finally, this poll is 5 years old. The more recent poll I mentioned, which occurred only a few months back, ended with a 62% majority in favor of more options, with only 28% wanting Viera, and the other 10% split amongst various other race options similar to the 1.0 poll. And if you want to get really technical, even being "the most desired race" (which clearly is a misinterpretation from the poll), Viera is still in the minority with 20-30% by country. No single option is the majority. Yes, Viera is the most wanted singular race, but the want is from a minority, even back in 1.0. Please consider what a minority and majority are.

[UsagiAndCrepes]

The vote for any single option is always going to be a minority compared to the sum total of all options present and possible in the future. It doesn't mean anything.

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Bloody]

Except in the poll I referenced, there was an actual majority for a single option. All I did was provide a counterpoint to their position, of which you only latched onto a small amount of. Believe what you will about my reasons, but you are way off the mark. They provided a response directed at me, and so I replied to them based on their points.