Please increase crystal sand amounts

[kattzkitti]

Interesting how all the people saying Crystal Sand farming is easy are people with maxed out crafting/gathering professions, while all the people who are having trouble with this stage are those who don't. Also interesting how the only ones in opposition to getting Crystal Sand addressed are also those who have crafting/gathering professions maxed out.

The fact of the matter is that Crystal Sand is obnoxiously tedious to farm for the majority of players, as the majority don't bother with crafting/gathering (it's why crafter/gatherers are able to make so much currency from their professions). The devs really need to address the issue, especially considering it's the end of the content cycle and there's no reason to gate the Anima progression anymore.

That being said though, they haven't nerfed Relics and old content loot rates, so it's highly doubtful that they're going to do anything about this issue either.

[Stitches1974]

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Nothing stopping folks from leveling crafting / gathering jobs and I HATE crafting. I spent a good 5 months maxing all my crafting jobs to 60, as well as mining to 60. It's really simple with Ixal and Moogle dailies. Currently fishing and botany are 50+. As for making Gil, crafting has been the ONLY gil drain for me. I don't see how people make gil off of crafting. I will have to say that it is nice to be able to make my own weapons/armor/crafting gear though.

EDIT: The only time I really craft now, is about 30 minutes every Thursday for Zhloe turn-ins.

[kattzkitti]

Nothing stopping folks from leveling crafting / gathering jobs

Most people have no interest in it, or don't have the time to devote to getting them leveled due to busy real world schedules or whatever the reason may be. This is something that game devs really need to start taking into account, as the vast majority of gamers nowadays are casual players who can only hop on for a short time in a given session. This is also why the F2P industry exists, and why it is so lucrative.

As for making Gil, crafting has been the ONLY gil drain for me. I don't see how people make gil off of crafting.

They make money off it because the stuff you can make at max level sells for millions per item (mostly because there's very little competition due to again, the majority of players not leveling the professions). Also, most crafters level gathering professions alongside them which makes the leveling process essentially free (and thus essentially pure profit from the sale of high level items).

[Stitches1974]

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I see you left off the part where I specifically said I HATE crafting. That means I don't like it and have 0 interest. When I was crafting, I spent 1 hour or less doing the daily allotment of 12 quests. Really not much time spent on leveling them, especially when you have a good amount of leves saved up. It even makes it easier, then you have GC turn ins. Even if you only level 1 crafting and 1 gathering job, it still does not take long to do at all. I mainly grabbed the quests, started a que for an instance, and worked on stuff while waiting for a que to pop.

Have you ever tried to sell a higher end crafting made item? It normally sits there for weeks before someone buys it and then you have to deal with someone undercutting you every 30 minutes. ( My personal experience and for my server. I understand it will vary. ) That alone makes it really not worth it.

EDIT: Eventually, you'll want most/ all DoH jobs at 50 for cross skills, but really only 1 job needed at 60 for the Zhloe turn-ins.

[kattzkitti]

I see you left off the part where I specifically said I HATE crafting. That means I don't like it and have 0 interest.

I left it off because it is nonsensical. If you had no interest in crafting/gathering, you by definition would not have leveled it.

[Stitches1974]

I left it off because it is nonsensical. If you had no interest in crafting/gathering, you by definition would not have leveled it.

Means to an end. If I wanted my Anima, I needed to craft. Nothing nonsensical about that. Yes, I actually had to look that up.

non·sen·si·cal
ˌnänˈsensək(ə)l/
adjective
1.
having no meaning; making no sense.


noun: means to an end
1.
a thing that is not valued or important in itself but is useful in achieving an aim.

[ManuelBravo]

The fact of the matter is that Crystal Sand is obnoxiously tedious to farm for the majority of players, as the majority don't bother with crafting/gathering (it's why crafter/gatherers are able to make so much currency from their professions). The devs really need to address the issue, especially considering it's the end of the content cycle and there's no reason to gate the Anima progression anymore.

That being said though, they haven't nerfed Relics and old content loot rates, so it's highly doubtful that they're going to do anything about this issue either.

Actually the fact of the matter is that players don't understand that relics have always been a grind. It's not a matter of having jobs maxed out for sand step. It is an option for those who put in the time to level them. For those who don't focus on crafting or gathering SE made an options. IF people want to do relics, don't want to put in the work to other paths they can tried other methods.

For example;Leves, Materia conversion, Desynthesis.

NOTE: IF your choosing to ask for a break, even though the umbrite has been nerfed, you now have people who just want to be spoiled. It's well balanced, sand isn't hard to get. TRY request help from your FC. After all what is the point of having an FC that won't help? Airship items are trade able and your FC should be more than happy help if you can provide the GC item to them. EVEN IF YOU DON'T CRAFT

In conclusion;

There are options people just want the easy way out it seems.

Keep in mind, SE has even boosted the xp for crafting. How else can they nerf while keeping it balanced?

The bonus sand is pretty reasonable as long as you trade items for sand all at once after anima wants to exceed it's limits ( second bar).

While crafting may NOT be for everyone it is an option were you don't need to have it fully maxed out, but helps min lvl 50. These options may not agree with everyone, hence once again the item list to get sand, and the path that players chose may not b e as pleasant, the bottom line is, It's easy when people put an effort.

One the Side note, old relics for Zodiac has been nerfed. Drop rates on items are 100%, Light gathering has had a major boost as well, and if your referring the items that are crafted or sold why nerf that when they are easy to make even at low levels? once again MAKE THE EFFORT

[Stitches1974]

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Well Said!

[Rongway]

Interesting how all the people saying Crystal Sand farming is easy are people with maxed out crafting/gathering professions, while all the people who are having trouble with this stage are those who don't. Also interesting how the only ones in opposition to getting Crystal Sand addressed are also those who have crafting/gathering professions maxed out.

The fact of the matter is that Crystal Sand is obnoxiously tedious to farm for the majority of players, as the majority don't bother with crafting/gathering (it's why crafter/gatherers are able to make so much currency from their professions). The devs really need to address the issue, especially considering it's the end of the content cycle and there's no reason to gate the Anima progression anymore.

That being said though, they haven't nerfed Relics and old content loot rates, so it's highly doubtful that they're going to do anything about this issue either.

That's a poor correlation. And again, it's only "obnoxiously tedious" because you're doing it wrong.

The most efficient means of acquisition has nothing to do with crafting or gathering. You can take a party of five people and farm levequests for two hours. If everyone has 100 allowances, you can get about 55 crystal sands each. That's 275 sands in two hours. If you happen to have a full party of eight people, that's 440 sands (!!!) in two hours with less work per person. Against this, there is no reasonable argument that crystal sands need to be more accessible. Don't have leves? Save them up.

All those relic steps that you're complaining haven't been modified to be more accessible? It's because they're already absurdly easy.

[ManuelBravo]

That's a poor correlation. And again, it's only "obnoxiously tedious" because you're doing it wrong.

Thank you that is a nice example of an alternative way to get sand. Well Said.