As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Shurrikhan]

And this is why it will never happen, because the dev team and half the community still think the game is too hard for some reason. I think the dev team actually thinks that the presentation of stats that we have now is too complicated, and too in depth...

To be clear, I don't mean "too easy" in the sense that its always forgiving; it's often quite the opposite of that, hence it feeling so mechanical (sometimes even borderline tedious) in what fights do present challenge. I just mean there's not enough... there. There's little to interact with. We just have varying number value inputs towards the same, single-layered metric. Our only tactical concern is generally desync, which tends to boil down to an opener and then letting the pieces fall where they will and thereafter hitting most CDs as soon they come up (apart from certain exceptions like SMN and MCH). Burst requirements are minimal because there's no advantage given for dealing damage, so long as any given add or phase completes in time not to wipe the group or drain all healer/tank reserves (CDs and/or mana). Were there just some mechanics working beneath it all, such as the ability to suppress, interrupt, knock back, or "stagger" enemies through damage (or some weapon- and/or skill-based multiplier thereof), or some actual differences between each element, there'd be so much more we could contribute to when filling long-term goals, allowing for far more windows and points of interaction.

[Sebazy]

You dont know all facts of that group

This really goes back to my earlier point and what I suspected was a big part of the issue here.

Being all hyper defensive and unwilling to take input even if it does come across as being a bit harsh is going to make things a LOT harder for both you and your group. You can deny it all you want, but Judge just presented an absolutely solid argument along with irrefutable data to back up his observations.

I can tell you from first hand experience that the majority of groups will value a healer that is easy to work with, willing to put their hands up to their own mistakes and failings and is able to listen without taking offence to everything. Remember that at the end of the day, progression raiding is effectively chucking 8 egos into a pressure cooker so of course things might appear to get a bit heated. Learn to look beyond the red mist and find the nuggets of value within or you really are going to struggle.

As it is right now, I suspect you are a lot harder to raid with than you realise, sorry

[Feyona]

This really goes back to my earlier point and what I suspected was a big part of the issue here

As it is right now, I suspect you are a lot harder to raid with than you realise, sorry

Sorry for saying so but the oposite is true of my character tbh I dont actually think that my worst enemies (If I have any ) C ould ever describe me as you have. The ones that know me that is. However my words are taken on here . I have a group and one that Ive been in a few months now, and I dont think they think that either. Forgive me for saying but you cant assess someone accurately on here and shouldnt really asume the worst. I can sort of make allowances for people believing what they want to though. But Im actually quite shy , quiet and polite, and do what people ask to the best of my ability. Also just a point I ve seen some hyper defensiveness here too. but really you shouldnt make judgements( not being hostile btw) Think you could say Im direct and words can come across differently than how you intend. Please dont make this post about me. I keep trying to go back to the subject then keep getting these personal assessments and not sure why, but dont try to tell me as its not relevant on here. I dont need a character reference to post here I dont come here to be 'liked' either I came gere to give my opinion on healer dps and because Im direct I will say what I think about it 'liked or not' Also there is a difference between allowing a person to be a person or completely shattering what little confidence they have in the game, their abilities or value. Constructive help advice i can take and the reciprocant can normally tell whether trying to destroy them or not. Wouldnt say judge was (good name that) but in an effort to either teach me what I should know or destroy me Im not sure of the motive tbh If its the first one, which Id rather think it was just to point out that some people would like advice given in a more encouraging way

[Rubiss]

How is this thread still going on? You play a SCH. If you can't DPS while playing that class, you are not playing right. Feelings aside, you have time as a SCH to DPS in ANY CONTENT. If you can't, don't be mad and take it out on others. Work on getting better.

[Seoulstar]

How is this thread still going on? You play a SCH. If you can't DPS while playing that class, you are not playing right. Feelings aside, you have time as a SCH to DPS in ANY CONTENT. If you can't, don't be mad and take it out on others. Work on getting better.

Generally speaking it's not the healer that's getting mad.

[Yeol]

Your first priority is healing and when you have nothing to do you can help with dps. At least this is what the Novice healer tutorial tells you.
Of corse getting at higher levels you will have more experience to know when to heal and when to dps.

Good tank and party will give you minimum healing time and more dps time. If you still don't take that time to dps and just follow the party around then you are getting carried by the party.

Bad party on the other hand, you'll be healing most of the time and much less time to dps. In this case you are the one carrying the party.

[Feyona]

How is this thread still going on? You play a SCH. If you can't DPS while playing that class, you are not playing right. Feelings aside, you have time as a SCH to DPS in ANY CONTENT. If you can't, don't be mad and take it out on others. Work on getting better.

I have to sort of disagree here please forgive my comment if it comes across wrong but was taught to crtically analize statements, as you do in education and may be why I come across the way I do. So pushing that aside, who says there is a 'right' or ' wrong' way to play a sch? If you heal with it, make a clear and you acheive your objective, and that is healing , and since a scholar is a healer does it really matter? So you may clear 2 minutes faster if you dps, what is 2 minutes in the grand scheme of things? Who put this idea of right and wrong way anyway? Plus if Im doing the content in my situation and i dont have space surely its me that knows wether I have the space or not. Apart from that, you cant really dictate how anyone shoul play a class or even wether the person wants to be optional or not. No one disagrees that you can be optimal with dps but theres no right or wrong about playing a class

[Feyona]

Your first priority is healing and when you have nothing to do you can help with dps. At least this is what the Novice healer tutorial tells you.

Yes I agree that if the group needs healing more then you do have less time and if people take damage constantly then there is no time and I have experienced not having the time in alot of instances, like not even the time it takes to go in and out of cleric, hardly time to put a load of dots on (cast time) So you can just sit in cleric before your cds come up, and in some cases no mana left after rezing twice. Thie situation where you do have space is where the group is optimum as well maybe but theres not that many optimal groups. Especially random ones like dunscaith. I may start in cleric, as has happened tank gets one shotted within about 3 seconds then you can rez, then someone dies to aoe, then people get doom etc etc

[era1Ne]

Also, yeah you can have only dots rolling and hit the 80th. My co-healer has recently been solo healing A12S on our sales runs, and just through dot reapplication and the odd malefic he's able to hit 75-85th. Swiss cheese man

Even strictly talking about savage not everyone is "main scholar", some have switched from other healers, cause the group asked them to (me) and others have switched, cause "dd are easier to find". I also don't get why you say only dots are needed for 80th and then admit he did use malefic sometimes, because if you wanted to proof your point thats an odd way to do it, since your "and the odd malefic" comment proves mine instead. Also as you know healer dmg depends a lot on the group, especially tanks you are playing with. Shouldn't be used as an excuse ofc

[Sieben79]

So you may clear 2 minutes faster if you dps, what is 2 minutes in the grand scheme of things?

In two minutes (more or less; depends on group) anything or nothing can happen (from wipe to disconnect, more incoming damage that must be healed, annoying mechanics, etc... but it's always a longer run ) Why force something unwritten because someone is unwilling to put some effort in the healer job?!