As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Kitfox]

Indeed. Would be so much easier to just ignore the personal squabbles. There hasn't been a new perspective or argument the past 70 pages at least.

But hey, people do the weirdest things for entertainment.

[Shurrikhan]

I wish this were the case too, what the game needs is more relevant utility that can be used by healers, and doing this without resorting to DPS is difficult. As a PLD I love the support side of it, and wish it were possible to create skills that were equally as good as the DPS output of WAR without being anything to do with DPS, but for now, just like healers, deal with the DPS is best meta and make the best of it.

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All other ways involve making healing much harder to play as well (I want healing mudras for CHM, but that wouldn't go over well I don't think).

I'd be fine with making healers harder to play, tbh. I'd love to see more use of game knowledge, for instance; think Mercy in Overwatch—one simple utility skill, but the tactical understanding for its optimization is rather hefty. Being able to build and release element for oGCD casts with variable usage (e.g. an Aero briefly accelerating allied movement, adding jump height, or pushing back an enemy) would add so much depth to the healer role and its sense of being well-integrated into the party. Those things don't need to be unique to healers, or even any trans-role "support", but having a toolkit that benefits enough from being aware of the party and providing the impetus and safety for its various tactics as to make that its predominant mindset would make that role for me.

Honestly, I feel like one of the main reasons the DPS meta has become as rutted as it has is because the game itself is too easy, in the sense of having too few player-side or battlefield mechanics to really play around with. There's little to set up, especially as a team. And while even those added functions would return to an aim of maximizing damage amid meeting more numerous and more creative shorter-term steps to reach a faster clear in the long term, it would at least give versatility a leg to stand on, rather than class's being gauged by their absolute DPS outputs and how few dependencies they have (e.g. WAR not needing to MT for any of its added damage). If there was more to interact with and bring out versatility in the first place, I doubt gameplay would be so quick to boil down to raw damage, provided there's sufficient variety between and within each content encounter.

[Lambdafish]

Honestly, I feel like one of the main reasons the DPS meta has become as rutted as it has is because the game itself is too easy

And this is why it will never happen, because the dev team and half the community still think the game is too hard for some reason. I think the dev team actually thinks that the presentation of stats that we have now is too complicated, and too in depth...

[Judge_Xero]

Indeed. Would be so much easier to just ignore the personal squabbles. There hasn't been a new perspective or argument the past 70 pages at least.

But hey, people do the weirdest things for entertainment.

I wish there was a new perspective lol. But there has been so many healer DPS threads that I fear horses may be on the verge of extinction.

Not gonna lie, I have found the last 70 pages quite entertaining.

#elitehealers4president

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And this is why it will never happen, because the dev team and half the community still think the game is too hard for some reason. I think the dev team actually thinks that the presentation of stats that we have now is too complicated, and too in depth...

The fact Yoshi outright said he wants to simplify stats going into Stormblood only drives home that very assumption. Unfortunately, they seem to believe making the game easier will abruptly fix comp meta when it's far more likely to have groups dig in their heels. White Mage suffers right now because it's entirely too basic and one dimensional. Why bring a dedicated healing job when the other two can heal just as efficiency relative to the outgoing damage and provide vastly superior utility? Funny enough, PvP is almost like night and day. I love healing in PvP because it demands I play my role not a hybrid DPS. I primarily heal and provide crowd control support whenever possible. And that healing is incredibly frequent more often than not. That said, I don't dislike Cleric Stance; quite the opposite. I simply don't love how we spend so much time in it.

[Lambdafish]

I love healing in PvP because it demands I play my role not a hybrid DPS. I primarily heal and provide crowd control support whenever possible. And that healing is incredibly frequent more often than not. That said, I don't dislike Cleric Stance; quite the opposite. I simply don't love how we spend so much time in it.

I can agree with this, though PVP and PVE are essentially apples and oranges when it comes to design, I do think more can be done in terms of intances to make healers feel more valuable.

[CuteWhisper]

I don't dislike Cleric Stance; quite the opposite. I simply don't love how we spend so much time in it.

This is my dilemma with Cleric Stance as well. I want to heal more not DPS more as an healer main. While I do like DPSing on my healer, I feel like I am more in Cleric Stance than not and it just brings me down. I actually decided to changed mains because of that as well. I hope they somehow fix that.

[Feyona]

We don't know Fey personally like you might.

I would like evidence here of both my terrible attitude towrds my group and also why you say that I played with them In a9 after I left the group this is completely untrue. and as for being a 'terrible' healer why did you say I was probably a decent one in another post? What did I do to you that makes you derrogate my performance so much and make up things about what actually happened? I wasnt even nasty to anyone and though I correct people here in no way have I intended to be hostile even if it came across that way that can be due to mis perception in chat. I havent personally derrogated anyone here and if I have then show me. Im so surprised at you though because you are in such a good and respected position in thegame as you are one of top players who could do so much good for people , instead you decide to pick on someone in a weak position. Shame that. Tell you what its no use trying to even reason with you people alot of you just want to bully those in the minority if they think or do anything that you dont like( this is some of you not all )I stand by the poor healers that get slated in these threads for wanting to heal its only me who is doing so . At least you cant say tha tI havent stood up to some of your forceful views on healer dps meta

[Judge_Xero]

This is my dilemma with Cleric Stance as well. I want to heal more not DPS more as an healer main. While I do like DPSing on my healer, I feel like I am more in Cleric Stance than not and it just brings me down. I actually decided to changed mains because of that as well. I hope they somehow fix that.

Because of the dilemma of simply increasing damage in fights causing issues for less skilled healers simply not being able to clear content the only alternative I can think of is to greatly reduced the potency of HoT spells and pet healing.

This would greatly reduce the DPS windows for healers while causing an increase in MP consumption, further reducing DPS uptime.

I would like evidence here of both my terrible attitude towrds my group and also why you say that I played with them In a9 after I left the group this is completely untrue.

So because you said the players that only let you attempt being able to DPS a couple times in A9 Story Mode are on you logs.

A9 Story Stuffs Nov 2

Which is, outside of a couple people that were switched in/out of the group the core of the group that you started with on Oct 20th and ended with on Nov 6th.

Oct 20

Nov 6th

and as for being a 'terrible' healer why did you say I was probably a decent one in another post? What did I do to you that makes you derrogate my performance so much and make up things about what actually happened?

Like I said, I have no idea how you are now at healing, but at the time (based on the Logs and timeline you gave) of this issue with this group that kind of started all this drama your healing on SCH was not great.

By the 130th or so attempt at A9S you did reduce the number of Succor you cast (6 in 3 minutes), which is very MP intensive to use in a fight with so little AOE damage outside of Acid Rain.

Compared to some of the first attempts on Oct 20th which was 17 casts of Succor in 3 minutes, so there was an improvement over 100+ attempts. But there are only 2 acid rains in that time frame and Succor at least without Emergency Tactics is not efficient for single target healing even when the adds are out.

Using Rouse on the pet is a very useful skill.

I think it was one of the clears that I mentioned a while back with excessive use of Succor Nov 2nd. 20 casts of Succor with 97% Galvanize uptime. That means the buff was up and then refreshed before falling off for 97% of the fight so for that timeframe no one took any damage to even allow the buff to fall off. The Bishop Turret was also Promoted 3 times in that fight for MP recovery even with 0 player deaths.

Nov 6th attempt

Oct 20th attempts

Nov 2 Clear

Please don't feel like I'm shaming you, especially because that was so long ago and you don't even play SCH anymore. I will admit that I'm a pretty decent SCH and because I know all the ins and outs of the class I know what I'm looking for on SCH healing:

- Using Rouse to increase the Fairy healing potency by 40%
- Using Galvanize Shields for damage mitigation -> meaning having shields up just prior to AOE unavoidable damage or Tank busters.
- Using Aetherflow stacks for free healing/mitigation skills
- Using Aetherflow for MP recovery
- Emergency Tactics, Deployment Tactics for strong mitigation or AOE healing
- MP efficiency - Succor for mitigation unless used with Emergency Tactics. Using Adlo for mitigation and not healing when Galvanize is already active.
- Use of Sacred Soil as Mitigation
- Timed use of Virus as Mitigation

That is the start of a list of things missing from SCH in your logs simply from a healing perspective, which didn't even touch on true optimization or fitting in DPS. Some of which is level 50 stuff and some of which is level 60 stuff, without stepping into a Raid setting.

So the reason I said you were not a good healer then is because of the lack of or complete mis-use of the the SCH healing toolkit.

So with all that and how that group kept with you for so long and how you are now here shaming them for community toxicity, that is how I came to the conclusion that you had a terrible attitude toward that group.

[Feyona]

You dont know all facts of that group and I really give up with it tbh. It was a casual group, Im a casual player that loved healing on sch and got clears so I was happy. After kick I then was talked into joining a hard core group from a recommendation of a friend that helped me cos he was disgusted what the group did .. as he was one of the members. I just like playing being relaxed. I dont want that pressure but still enjoy clearing stuff. Its more that pressure of trying to play optimally and your not built for it which I kick against and not just me. Im end game too what do people like me do if I cant progress cos noone wants sub optimal in their groups. No dps means less pressure to be so. But Im sorry if advocation of that takes it away from you. Tbh i nvr dpsed with the group that kicked me cos i hadnt learned it then so that group logs may have been my new static id have to see who was in it to know cos did so much a9s round then. Just looked we are all in thesame kind of social group so yes different people and some were traing and some were from 'mother' static as was called so yes some times we were with more experienced players. But one thing I dont understand is that I didnt know how to properly dps while still with that group so I must have tried while still there which explain why I didnt know to shadow flare etc. My dps would probably have much higher numbers now. Btw I wasnt taught how to dps in that group though does explain but see dont have fflogs so couldnt remember . I just thought that story mode practice was after I left. One of the guys left withe me yes cos he probably felt disgusted with the group for not even showing me how to dps sch then kicking me for not knowing. And he wasnt a close friend so it wasnt like auto stick up for me. but whatever it doesnt matter now. I have to say pulling people's performnce down maybe a way to help them them to play better bu to some that are underconfident it can have a more detrimental effect like ' I may as well not' try to play' for want of better words. Depends how its done I guess like publically? but as you state to me in a direct manner Im doing the same. We are not in the army here and some arnt built for it.