As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

Well everyone here acknowledges that other players have aptitude and some don't, but how about instead of trying to fit the square block into the circle hole, then blaming the system you fit the your block into the right spot and play with people that are accepting of your style.

This wasnt the point to why I say thungs on here its expectation or forcing I have objected to and healers being harrassed to do it. If your comfortable with it its fine and want everyone to enjoy themselves just dont want pressure and stress put on me or others by the coms.

[Sebazy]

Oh Im not stubborn at all if you are refering to me. Ive learned healer dps as thats what people want of me i do it but even if I watched a hundred videos I wont relax until comfortable with fight actually doing it.

Indeed, it's a lot easier to follow your own gameplay particularly before you don't really grasp the finer details of an encounter. On a playstation I believe you need to setup the video share feature and stream it to youtube. I'm fairly certain you can record it to an unlisted private stream so having people jump on isn't a problem provided you set it up right.

[CreinCrein]

Alright if you're being harassed it's either one of two things: either you're dealing with assholes or you're doing content that you do not meet the qualifications for. Can't do much about the first one, but as I tried to say if you're experiencing the second you need to find a place where your level of play is accepted and where you fit in. I'm pretty sure the personal attacks here are just because you fail to understand the fact that people who are sitting on the "optimization/push as much deeps as u can" argument are correct because that's how the metagame is and that will not change because of your opinion, ever. They're trying to help you understand but are getting frustrated. At the end of the day you do you, just don't get hurt when you're kicked out of a group because "doing you" is not letting other people "do them".

[Seoulstar]

This is just like the energizer bunny. It keeps going and going and going..

[Feyona]

Alright if you're being harassed it's either one of two things:

If I say here that its assholes I will get accused of blaming it on everything else. lets just say Im in a group, Im polite and I do what my group wants me to or try to. And no dont think its always the that its one of those things like the post earlier of a healer being harrassed so much to dps she left the group because it made her feel uncomfortable and ive already acknowledged that people are in the optimization stance but not everyone wants to be optimized in my opinion some just want to enjoy themselves and I stand with them on that. And you call that what I get frustration? Dont you think it was abit ott?

[Judge_Xero]

I dont see any gaps at all when Im learng a fight, because Im too busy watching mechics abd watching health bars at first. Its like driving at first everying like junctions come up seeminglvery fast until you get used to it and driving itself you dont have to think about. To me learning fights is like learning to drive. I have healed so long now as a healer its always my main focus to keep people alive. I guess sometimes allowances are not made often for people that learn in different ways

No worries, not everyone learns at the same rate. Just keep a positive attitude and maybe take the bus for now.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And no one asked your opinion.
having to carry your sorry behind through content because your too lazy to Excell GOES BOTH WAYS

Neither did we ask for yours. Funny thing about forums. People offer their opinions on a public discussion. Imagine that!

And since you're copping such a wonderful attitude, I decided to check your logs. Wouldn't know, someone claiming they'll "carry our sorry behinds" has no Savage clears. Maybe you shouldn't talk such a big game, hmm?

Handling stance dancing in higher difficulty content is a lot different than stance dancing in a random dungeon. While I agree a healer that doesn't stance dance in higher content shouldn't be there. I'm speaking of DF, kicking someone from a dungeon because they're not stance dancing is a bit..dumb if you ask me. But that is my personal opinion and I'd rather not add more to this pointless argument that neither side are budging on. Thankfully for me I have yet to see people wanting to kick someone over something that is truly minor.

Edit: Well minor when it comes to DF to say at least.

See, that's fair. Most of this thread has pertained to Savage. While I'll grumble over it whenever I go into Expert, I won't kick healers who won't DPS in dungeons. I'm also infinitely more patient with people still learning to DPS as a healer or new to whatever content entirely. All I ask is they vocalize this.

exactly this.

the whole idea of this topic is just beyond me.

arguing that more healer dps leads to more mitigation is correct. with more mitigation i have to heal less... so, i, a healer who just likes to heal, should dps more so i have to heal less? but healing is the part i want to do, and dpsing is the thing i don't want. so the more i dps the less can i do the thing i want to do?

how does anybody think that this whole idea of more dpsing = less healing could change the mindset of heal only healers?

i have only one soultion to the whole problem:

a new healer class wich does not dps, but has a lot of utility and party buffs to compensate for that. sadly, that's basically AST without cleric and better buffs, so i guess it won't happen xD
or an opposite scholar: a healer with a dpsing pet on auto pilot... yeah, i would like that...

As others have already outlined, a job with little to no DPS will be completely shunned in Savage; more so than Paladin and White Mage already are now. You flatout wouldn't be accepted into a large amount of groups at Savage level content with a job like you're suggesting. XIV simply does not warrant enough dedicated healing for it to be viable. It's the primary reason White Mage has suffered this tier following Astro's god tier buffs. The devs designed it around be a burst heal job yet there is no fight in the entire game a Scholar or Astro cannot heal with near equal efficiency. Honestly, XIV needs to strongly consider nearing healer potency or increasing the outgoing damage if the devs want to disincentive the DPS meta. I'm on the camp believing they should, personally. It seems silly an optimal healer spends less time actually healing than they do dealing damage.

[Feyona]

Neither did we ask for yours. Funny thing about forums. People offer their opinions on a public discussion. Imagine that

Some of this is my point, non dps healer exclusion. Hope this is taken the right way though because people should still be ' allowed' to have a go at it so if healer dps didnt exist or was disabled people would still be trying and enjoying themselves without anyone needing to be excluded and no more arguments. I still think coldstoni is right it does go both ways like the group that kicked me were not playing optimally themselves and wanted a scholar to make up for their deficient dps. Were impatient so wanted a pro sch in two weeks. But failed still after I left. And ofc theire were other factors I already mentioned like learning fight and stuff but but without my healing they were unable to pull off any more clears because as stated before ,my healing was pretty high. You could say that the group as awhole needed lots of healing and the ast dpsed. But at one point I think I was doing 2 thirds more healing and she wasnt able to support the group while I dpsed. So no way was there space to learn it. Its so easy to blame healer dps not being there to account for failure but healing is definitely needed as well for sub par group. But will state here ther was over healing . Im not reall sure ifit was indom or succur caused it cos cant remember but I always shield befroe incoming damage im not sure if thats correct but Ive alwayss thought you shield to prevent damage and ofc succor has heals attached that may be the overheal.

[Stormbad]

Actually that was refering to me and didnt you read back or something?

Wat? I really don't understand. You keep saying "all those things they said about me" but what was it that was said about you that is so offensive and bannable? I'm truly wtf moment here.

[era1Ne]

Okay so I main scholar and I don't see why people think dpsing has such an insurmountable skill gap, it's pretty soft even during progression. Even during our week one clears where people were dropping like flies there was room, is there really any excuse? You can literally have only dots rolling and hit the 80th. There are more holes in damage than there is Swiss cheese

You said it yourself in the first sentence. You are a main scholar and others just aren't, so thats their "excuse". Also i don't think you can hit 80th that easily, just having dots up is not enough for that. As i said many times already, should healer dps (in theory) absolutely! But we have to remember that some people are just playing healer in random dungeons, because they want to exp an different role, instead of playing always dd for example. They just don't have the confidents, exp and skill to reach high dps and some of them do not even dps at all.