As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[CuteWhisper]

To expand on what Taika is saying (which is really good advice), don't be afraid to make friends. You don't need a static to have a consistent group, and joining FCs, LSs, and discord channels etc. with people you enjoy running with (or even just giving them a friend add if possible) will give you a better experience overall, and allow you to develop better synergy with your team mates, as well as providing a fulfilling social experience.

Some of the best experiences I have had in this game have been from PF groups that have bonded and we all added each other on discord and now do repeat runs of content.

Thank you very much, that are really good ideas and suggestions as well!

[Coldstoni]

I agree with freyona. She seems to be the only healer main here. Sadly. The point of this thread was never up for discussion so why an admitted tank and a couple random some time healers had to go on for 115 pages is beyond me. A little about myself I have mained healers since I started over 2 years ago and to this day if I run up on someone acting like any of you outside freyona have been acting for 115 pages. I simply do not party with them. Because if I have to carry a group on my back by healing and dpsing I might as well lose the group and play solo.

[Seoulstar]

Can we just accept the fact that there are healers that don't want to DPS and be done with this already? No amount of arguing is going to truly change much at all. No amount of yelling and insults isn't going to make people magically change their minds. If the person wants to DPS, they will do it eventually. Insulting them isn't going to make the process go any faster. If anything it will just push them away from it. A lot of people fail to understand that and this minor issue seems to bring out the worst in people.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I agree with freyona. She seems to be the only healer main here. Sadly. The point of this thread was never up for discussion so why an admitted tank and a couple random some time healers had to go on for 115 pages is beyond me. A little about myself I have mained healers since I started over 2 years ago and to this day if I run up on someone acting like any of you outside freyona have been acting for 115 pages. I simply do not party with them. Because if I have to carry a group on my back by healing and dpsing I might as well lose the group and play solo.

You won't group with people because they offered sound advice on how to properly balance healing and DPS? No one has been openly antagonistic towards Freyona. This thread spiraled on for 115 page due to strawmans like your own. She came here looking for her opinions to be validate, and when they weren't, attempted to argue otherwise. No one has advocated you should be solely responsible for everything. In fact, that's a detriment to the group. Both healers should share the respective healing and DPS roles.

Can we just accept the fact that there are healers that don't want to DPS and be done with this already? No amount of arguing is going to truly change much at all. No amount of yelling and insults isn't going to make people magically change their minds. If the person wants to DPS, they will do it eventually. Insulting them isn't going to make the process go any faster. If anything it will just push them away from it. A lot of people fail to understand that and this minor issue seems to bring out the worst in people.

We can if they accept people will judge and potentially exclude them from content. This whole debate boils down to someone unable to handle stance dancing and their group ultimately deciding to kick them. At Savage levels, you will see they fairly often outside pugs because expectations on everyone are significantly higher.

[Coldstoni]

Can we just accept the fact that there are healers that don't want to DPS and be done with this already? No amount of arguing is going to truly change much at all. No amount of yelling and insults isn't going to make people magically change their minds. If the person wants to DPS, they will do it eventually. Insulting them isn't going to make the process go any faster. If anything it will just push them away from it. A lot of people fail to understand that and this minor issue seems to bring out the worst in people.

I completely concur. Remember the provisional IF there.

[Coldstoni]

[QUOTE=Bourne_Endeavor;4093952]You won't group with people because they offered sound advice on how to properly balance healing and DPS? No one has been openly antagonistic towards Freyona. This thread spiraled on for 115 page due to strawmans like your own. She came here looking for her opinions to be validate, and when they weren't, attempted to argue otherwise. No one has advocated you should be solely responsible for everything. In fact, that's a detriment to the group. Both healers should share the respective healing and DPS roles.
And no one asked your opinion.
having to carry your sorry behind through content because your too lazy to Excell GOES BOTH WAYS

[Seoulstar]

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Handling stance dancing in higher difficulty content is a lot different than stance dancing in a random dungeon. While I agree a healer that doesn't stance dance in higher content shouldn't be there. I'm speaking of DF, kicking someone from a dungeon because they're not stance dancing is a bit..dumb if you ask me. But that is my personal opinion and I'd rather not add more to this pointless argument that neither side are budging on. Thankfully for me I have yet to see people wanting to kick someone over something that is truly minor.

Edit: Well minor when it comes to DF to say at least.

[AmeliaVerves]

And no one asked your opinion.

Who asked for yours then?
You should probably chose your wording more carefully, since you seem really rude. ^^

In fact, there are many main healers here, who took part in the discussion. I am main healer, cleared latest Alex Savage Tier completely and I am far away from being a pro.
Guess what? I cleared it as SCH and provided a fair amount of DPS. Furthermore I enjoy being able to DPS, because it takes away a huge burden of my DDs, because I can help them reach a certain point of bosses LP to skipp mechanics. Awesome feeling to be this helpful! I don't think I am carrying them or I have to make up a lack in their DPS, but I can provide additional damage!

[Zojha]

Handling stance dancing in higher difficulty content is a lot different than stance dancing in a random dungeon.

That's certainly true, but doesn't really help the argument, because stance dancing is a whole lot easier in random dungeons than it is in higher difficulty content. The timers are a lot less strict, the punishment for failure much smaller. It's the ideal training ground.

What irks me personally is that the devs apparently expect tanks and healers to only use half their toolkit, but expect DPS to pull 85-90% of the DPS they could, in theory, be pulling. It's a gross double standard if I ever saw one and really damn unfair. What aggravates me is that people expect me to constantly push buttons while one person of the group is just... jumping around, doing nothing. That happens primarily in random dungeons. It's unfair.

And how to remove that unfairness?
a) Have the person do something/perform higher (Asking them to DPS as well)
b) Ask SE to please make DPS less involved and easier
c) Ask SE to please make healing more involved and harder

Personally, I'm in camp a until SE gets around to either b or c. I'd prefer c myself.

[Tint]

Can we just accept the fact that there are healers that don't want to DPS and be done with this already? No amount of arguing is going to truly change much at all. No amount of yelling and insults isn't going to make people magically change their minds. If the person wants to DPS, they will do it eventually. Insulting them isn't going to make the process go any faster. If anything it will just push them away from it. A lot of people fail to understand that and this minor issue seems to bring out the worst in people.

exactly this.

the whole idea of this topic is just beyond me.

arguing that more healer dps leads to more mitigation is correct. with more mitigation i have to heal less... so, i, a healer who just likes to heal, should dps more so i have to heal less? but healing is the part i want to do, and dpsing is the thing i don't want. so the more i dps the less can i do the thing i want to do?

how does anybody think that this whole idea of more dpsing = less healing could change the mindset of heal only healers?

i have only one soultion to the whole problem:

a new healer class wich does not dps, but has a lot of utility and party buffs to compensate for that. sadly, that's basically AST without cleric and better buffs, so i guess it won't happen xD
or an opposite scholar: a healer with a dpsing pet on auto pilot... yeah, i would like that...