As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Cyrocco]

Okay, can we end this thread already? It's going in circles and Feyona is literally carrying the thread on, by herself, by just arguing.

[Feyona]

Okay, can we end this thread already? It's going in circles and Feyona is literally carrying the thread on, by herself, by just arguing.

Oh oh? And Im being quoted left right and centre by people that are arguing with me . Isnt that a bit one sided? Im replying to people that argue with my points and Im the one thats arguing by myself? Really?

[Seoulstar]

1,132 pages of pure arguments..

[Sebazy]

I repeat I am not victizing myself its rather my opinion bring victimized because its unpopular with the expected meta. I repeat I am not just speaking for myself and groups are healer bashing for not dpsing and there is evidence here

At the risk of stretching this out; have a look over my logs, I'll be the first to admit that I'm a crummy DPS when it comes to progression content but yet I do absolutely fine. I've been kicked from a group over DPS (or rather, they cited my miss count) once since HW's release and frankly, raw healing/dps numbers weren't really the issue with that group anyway. I'm pretty happy with that given the number of pugs I've done over the last nigh 2 years. I'll also note that I've raided with a good number of hardcore progression FCs and yes, they've generally picked up my weak personal DPS, but I've always worked hard to offset that by teaming up with DPS hungry SCHs and making sure that I'm consistent and dependable. It clearly works because again, I've never been kicked from a hardcore or midcore progression team or FC.

TLDR - My advice to you is simple, if people are regularly 'victimising' you then chances are they may sometimes have a point here no? Consider recording yourself occasionally, get the logs uploaded too if you can. Then just sit back and study your replays with an open mind. Those gaps and safe windows are always there, you just need to get the confidence to use them.

Last but most certainly not least. Probably the most important detail to remember:

Never ever stop looking for ways to up your game and improve your level of play! There is *ALWAYS* something you can do better.

[CuteWhisper]

Since I came back which was 3 days ago. I went into Dun Scaith and Alexanders to get gear and most of the time players including the other healer was very polite and helpful. When I explained that I recently got back and needed to learn again, the other healers would gladly help me anyway they could and I am slowly getting my confidence back and DPS a little bit more. Of course I did have mean people but it was mostly very friendly.

I understand what others are saying here. They are not against people like me which is new to mechanics or scared to screw up but healers who roll their fingers instead of being helpful to the team. For now until I am more comfortable, I do a Succor whenever it's down. I also don't plan to ever do extremes and/or savage because I personally know my limitation and I know I would just ruin their run.

[Taika]

I also don't plan to ever do extremes and/or savage because I personally know my limitation and I know I would just ruin their run.

I think you might be a bit overly careful here. I've done some Savage and Extreme learning parties lately and with DF or PF pugs they tend to be messy enough that healers are busy just healing at start, and that's fine. One of them even had a description saying "don't join if you're expecting to clear this". So if you're interested in doing them, don't be afraid to join a practice party! Then when the first phase(s) of the fight start to go a bit smoothly, you can begin with DPSing there a bit, and again focus on just healing when you get to a phase that isn't going that smoothly yet.

Higher expectations are often placed when you're joining a static group that has certain goals for progression, but DF stuff is a different matter.

[Feyona]

Never ever stop looking for ways to up your game and improve your level of play! There is *ALWAYS* something you can do better.

Thanks for your post but I have never had a bad attitude in groups. Rather , and said before, I am always on time never let the group down by having any time off, alwys state what my level of play im at before i join, alawys do my best, always try to do whats asked of me,( sometimes I cant , siuationally) plus i just tried to give examples not be a victim' that is some here 's idea because I see a problem for healers, and my opinion is unpopular , therefore its a method to derogate me on a personal level Even though I think I have some valid points. And some have agreed so It isnt just me that thinks it. Tbh I dont feel that anythingwould be accepted by alot on here except ' I love cleric and healer dps. I just say not everyone can do it is turned into you suck as healer then' ' no wonder your group kicked you' I Are you sure they have a point and I dont? I dont even post on here because i feel victimized Im just trying to support against it being forced on people . I dont seem to be able to get that through to them.

[AmeliaVerves]

I typed a super long text and just deleted it again, because I think it is not worth the effort, since this is going for >110 pages already and your opinion and points of view are set in stone.

It's sad people were rude to you and tried to force their way onto you. They were not right in doing so.
Since you said you are improving your DPSing as healer, just go on with that, it gets easier with more practice.

Just would like the community as a whole to be more accepting of others.

Be the change you want to see in the world!
Try to accept others that adore Healer DPS as well, please, and don't ask SE to take cleric away from those who actually like to DPS. That would be unfair.

[CuteWhisper]

I think you might be a bit overly careful here. I've done some Savage and Extreme learning parties lately and with DF or PF pugs they tend to be messy enough that healers are busy just healing at start, and that's fine. One of them even had a description saying "don't join if you're expecting to clear this". So if you're interested in doing them, don't be afraid to join a practice party! Then when the first phase(s) of the fight start to go a bit smoothly, you can begin with DPSing there a bit, and again focus on just healing when you get to a phase that isn't going that smoothly yet.

Higher expectations are often placed when you're joining a static group that has certain goals for progression, but DF stuff is a different matter.

Thank you thats great advice!!

[Lambdafish]

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To expand on what Taika is saying (which is really good advice), don't be afraid to make friends. You don't need a static to have a consistent group, and joining FCs, LSs, and discord channels etc. with people you enjoy running with (or even just giving them a friend add if possible) will give you a better experience overall, and allow you to develop better synergy with your team mates, as well as providing a fulfilling social experience.

Some of the best experiences I have had in this game have been from PF groups that have bonded and we all added each other on discord and now do repeat runs of content.