As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[AmeliaVerves]

These are the reasons why while I try to DPS but do it less.

Tbh I think 90% of players wont even realise that if it's outside of EX Primal or Savage Alex, so you shouldn't worry too much about it.
That isn't even the problem at all, at least not for most people. It is absolutely fine to play it safe and careful if you are not familiar with the situation.

Like Lambdafish said before: It's the attitude that counts!
You can stay there and say "F*** you, I will not dps, because I can't so live with that." and people will be upset. But you could just say: "I am not 100% familiar with the fight and a little nervous, so I'd rather give it a smooth run instead of rushing things and probably wiping." and almost everyone will understand and be nice and patient.

What I don't like at all is people being arrogant.
Like that one SCH I have been in A9s with (I was WHM, pf group):
Me: "Hey, you know, I can solo heal this fight almost completely, just throw some shields for scrapburst and help me heal when faust is up. You can smash the boss with your insane DPS the rest of the time! "
SCH: "No. I don't DPS. I am healer and it should not be my part to carry DDs who can't play their job."
Me: "Eh... okay... kinda... whatever. I expect you to solo heal most of the time then, so I can contribute dps to kill it quickly. "
SCH: "I can't solo heal it and you don't know a thing about SCH if you think they can. Haha. Noob."
... Me being main SCH. And confused. Like... you want the DPS to play their job properly and you don't even think about at least putting dots? Furthermore not able to "almost" solo heal with ilvl >265? :/
If the person said: "I am not comfortable with dpsing as I don't know how well you will perform and if I can handle the stance dance good enough to help out in emergencies, I would like us both to heal for that kill." or "I don't think I am good enough to solo heal this content. Please heal as well." -> That would be absolutely fine! But nooooooooo... that person needed to act arrogant.

[Taika]

These are the reasons why while I try to DPS but do it less. I am probably going to get bashed on for this but I am sure other healers feel this way or was/are in the same situation I am.

No one is going to (or at least they definitely shouldn't) give you a hard time on this, especially since you're talking about doing dungeons and not trying to join a Savage static.

AmeliaVerves explained super well above what kind of a negative attitude will generally get a negative response, and those are the healer players that are critisised here, not the ones who are trying to learn and be helpful, but just aren't yet very comfortable with DPS for whatever reason.

[Feyona]

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Also, do yourself a favour and talk to your tanks about tanking (you said you don't know about tanking). It will improve you as a healer to know what your tanks are capable of, and you should observe their rotations proactively rather than reactively so that you can generate better synergy with them and the fight itself.[/QUOTE] Just because
My answers are not in the pro 'love cleric' stance you think my answers are weird and you honed in on me. It doesnt mean there isnt an issue with healer dps being forced. ' improve' That is not been the issue and my pages and pages are filled with other people's comments too like yours. To even suggest theres an issue with healer dps is often put put down and sometimes aggressively or bitchily just proves how hostile the community is towards those that cant or dont do it. I have never implied or suggested no one can have an opinion I just think the hostility is the other way round

[Feyona]

No one is going to (or at least they definitely shouldn't) give you a hard time on this, especially since you're talking about doing dungeons and not trying to join a Savage static.

AmeliaVerves explained super well above what kind of a negative attitude will generally get a negative response, and those are the healer players that are critisised here, not the ones who are trying to learn and be helpful, but just aren't yet very comfortable with DPS for whatever reason.

How is it so ' apparent' what attitude a healer may have in in an instance? When no one hardly understands what im saying here? Tbh even if you explain yourself its still taken as refusal or too lazy to learn or the best one is 'why should a group carry you' or 'put up with you' ' your slowing us down' ' your hurting the group' go learn elsewhere dps or gtfo. You make it sound like peoples's attitudes are so reasonable towards those that try. Its not reasonable here and its not reasonable in instances. Even Lambdafish and judge suggested that you shouldnt really ' put yourself ' on groups so that they have to 'put up' with under par players. Quote ' standards' a group expects. And Im not talking about savage here Im talking about instances across the board as people will expect you to dps wherever you are. And amelia verve's comment ' oh you didnt even try to put dots on' well if your new to healer dps or new to instance it may be the case you simply are so fuddled by the instance or trying to learn everything you dont have time, I would liken it to learning to drive. Where everything speeds up and rushes past you.

[Feyona]

I took a break from the game and just recently came back. I wanted to give my own little point of view about this. Since I cam back, so many dungeons, raids, and trials have been added to the game and I became overwhelmed. With that said, I find myself trying to DPS but do it less for these reasons:

These are the reasons why while I try to DPS but do it less. I am probably going to get bashed on for this but I am sure other healers feel this way or was/are in the same situation I am.

Its exacty these reasons that Im posting on here about. For whatever reason a healer doesnt dps is not really always taken into consideration. The group will want a fast clear it seems. Healer bashing is becoming quite popular especially since the ' arrogant' ones are suggesting its so easy and of course they can do it so everyone can.

[Feyona]

Tbh I think 90% of players wont even realise that if it's outside of EX Primal or Savage Alex, so you shouldn't worry too much about it.

What I don't like at all is people being arrogant.

The irony of this post is that its actually true sch is a healer, not a dps, dps should be able to clear it without healer dps, sch may not be able to solo it, and the arrogance here is thinking if you can do it everyone else can or should. Also it could be suggested assuptions of how others experience difficulty, or struggle with it being put down can be viewed as arrogance to assume you actually 'know'. Plus 'making fun' of someone elses experience just shows how hostile and bitchy this community is and your so clever going with the 'gang' Have the guts to stand up for those not fulfilling the 'meta'

[AmeliaVerves]

The irony of this post is that its actually true sch is a healer, not a dps, dps should be able to clear it without healer dps, sch may not be able to solo it, and the arrogance here is thinking if you can do it everyone else can or should. Also it could be suggested assuptions of how others experience difficulty, or struggle with it being put down can be viewed as arrogance to assume you actually 'know'.

Sadly you cut off the most important part of my post, to make it fit your needs and making me look arrogant.
That is:

If the person said: "I am not comfortable with dpsing as I don't know how well you will perform and if I can handle the stance dance good enough to help out in emergencies, I would like us both to heal for that kill." or "I don't think I am good enough to solo heal this content. Please heal as well." -> That would be absolutely fine! But nooooooooo... that person needed to act arrogant.

I am wondering, do you really truly believe I was wrong and the SCH was right in how he behave?

[Taika]

How is it so ' apparent' what attitude a healer may have in in an instance? When no one hardly understands what im saying here? Tbh even if you explain yourself its still taken as refusal or too lazy to learn or the best one is 'why should a group carry you' or 'put up with you' ' your slowing us down' ' your hurting the group' go learn elsewhere dps or gtfo. You make it sound like peoples's attitudes are so reasonable towards those that try. Its not reasonable here and its not reasonable in instances.

The only one who is bringing up these "unreasonable" attitudes in this discussion is you, have you noticed? All the people in this discussion who support healer DPS have made it clear that as long as a healer tries to be helpful instead of flat out refusing, they should be supported and encouraged. I understand that you have had personal experiences you have interpreted differently than that, but those are not what we have seen in this thread.

Also it was very clear in AmeliaVerves' post what kind of an attitude the healer had.

Even Lambdafish and judge suggested that you shouldnt really ' put yourself ' on groups so that they have to 'put up' with under par players. Quote ' standards' a group expects.

From my understanding they were discussing Savage static groups. Which are of course built upon certain expectations the group places on its members. There are groups that compete for world first clears, there are midcore groups that expect everyone to play as optimally as possible within whatever they view as reasonable expectations, and there are casual groups that don't even care much if they beat the fight or not, and just want to experience the content without any expectations. What they said is that it's important that everyone in a static groups shares the same standards and expectations, and that people should look for groups around their own skill and dedication level. I for example would not meet the standards for a world-first team, so I would not try to join one, but am happy in my midcore group.

[Feyona]

Sadly you cut off the most important part of my post, to make it fit your needs and making me look arrogant.
That is:


I am wondering, do you really truly believe I was wrong and the SCH was right in how he behave?

The thing is I did say Ill try and cant but was made into 'refusal' So for one attitude is not always apparent. Even when you explain difficulty your having it isnt always accepted or understood. Other than that everyone only seems to want the 'pro dps' players so any excuse will do. Just cant fathom all this hostility. When you know people need to learn, and Ive never had arrogance where I think If I can do it everyone can. Im really not an arrogant person, I have endless patience with learners and when they say they cant do something I accept it, and even people that want to heal. Just would like the community as a whole to be more accepting of others.

[Feyona]

The only one who is bringing up these "unreasonable" attitudes in this discussion is you, have you noticed?

Again theres a tendency to think that only the professionals should be allowed in savage (reading between the lines). I think its unreasonable to expect you to be pro when your learning and as said before how do you learn if your not pro how to be pro in content. People just are not as reasonable as you seem to think in instances. Plus I am not the only one that has spoken of being 'harassed' Did you notice? But your right people should look for group with same standards like my previous one. Quote 'theres a few in this group had no raid experience' I always say Im not pro before entering a group and in every one was invited on those terms. Dont you think dps or gtfo is unreasonable?