Why Can't WHM Have An Enmity Lowering Stance?

[Velcan]

This is the opener for a fight where you have to get close to the boss. You have to pop sprint at around the 8 second mark, regen at around 5 seconds, swap to cleric, start casting Aero 3 at the 3 second mark, cast aero 2, then start running toward the boss while casting Aero, and while you are waiting for your next GCD to come back pop presence of Mind and Fluid Aura. At this point you stone 3 until you see Trick Attack then assize so it always lines up with every other Trick Attack.(assuming you have a ninja if, not then just cast assize right after the first stone 3) At this point just keep up Aero 3 and 2 when they go off, and try to use Aero before you fluid Aura, presence of Mind, or just any of your OGCDs so you dont clip GCDs as much.

There is a stronger set up for bosses that dont move like Zurvan at the start and Refurbisher but ima only type it out if anyone even cares. This is all I do to pull off of PLDs in Sword oath, and DRKs that dont use Grit or Dark Arts a Power slash. I have never had one of these tanks hold against me for long in a heal intensive fight without these cooldowns cause as soon as heals are needed like in A12S mega holy storm at the start of the battle things get bad. You could say the tanks should just switch stances but if I were any other class the tanks would not have to switch stances.

[Ghishlain]

I can see at a quick glance over your logs you're fairly well optimized for the fight. I personally don't see why you would have hate issues if you're popping Shroud at the junctures you are since it's a 50% hate shred. At the one log I saw in Refurbisher I did notice an abnormally high amount of overheal on Asylum and even 50% overheal on Medica II. It sort of feels like you might need to have Whispering Dawn handle more healing since there isn't a lot of AoE healing necessary for Refurbisher outside of Acid Rain + Panzerfaust during Full Metal Faust.

I would just say open the fight with your Warrior. They can maintain high initial DPS in tank stance due to Unchained and thus will giving the tanks a larger hate lead. If you're looking at total group DPS optimization, you're better off opening with WAR just because of Unchained + Berserk gives massively lovely enmity spikes. I'd also say have your SCH use Deployment Tactics more often since the one log I saw had zero deployment tactics and that'll just mean less healing requirement overall too. Take advantage of as many kits as possible to optimize for the group.

Just my 2 cents~ I will admit I'm in agreement with the vast majority of posters in the thread that I'm not sure why you're having enmity issues. As others have said, I also personally don't see a need for a passive -enmity on WHM when you have a 50% hate reduction but I do see based on the few logs I glazed over you're optimizing very well for CD usages so I feel it's just a matter of potentially just reducing your overheal and thus enmity and also making use of other toolkits to optimize the group as a whole.

[Tanathya]

You guys seriously taking into account random DRKs who refuse to turn Darkside on because 'it spends MP'?

[Accelerating]

^Well that's pretty much the opener I used and we never had any aggro issues. WHM's damage spike falls off pretty quickly after using Assize and Fluid Aura. Also there are barely any fights which require much healing in the beginning (except for a12 I guess? But that shouldn't really be that much of an issues either). Either your healers are overhealing like crazy or your tanks are generating too little aggro (and your DPS players are so bad that they can't take your shitty tank's aggro).
Edit: Looking at that posted a9s link pretty much proves my point that the DPS players are awful lul.

[Velcan]

ty for the compliment. That might have just been a random group I was in I dont know how much my healer partner will heal sometimes they heal a lot and I end up overhealing, and sometimes they don't. But because I never know I just heal like i'm solo healing. Ironically the fights where the boss is immobile I never take aggro :/ (on a side note I need to check these logs cause I never know when they are updated randomly)
Edit: Oh I know that run I did not have aggro trouble on that one at all. plus that just happened to be a PF that I happened to find a pretty good SCH so I uploaded that one cause our DPS together was pretty good.

[Velcan]

^Either your healers are overhealing like crazy or your tanks are generating too little aggro (and your DPS players are so bad that they can't take your shitty tank's aggro).
Edit: Looking at that posted a9s link pretty much proves my point that the DPS players are awful lul.

You have to keep in mind I don't have a static. I run stuff in random PFs and I run into huge numbers of DRK tanks THAT I SEE who complain about WHM in general cause it means they have to turn on grit I have been told on several occasions that I should not DPS just heal because I am a WHM. I know you are a good WHM with a good team to run with but I dont have that. All im trying to say is that I find it sad that a WHM has to work the hardest and smartest for the smallest pay out of the 3 healers.
Edit: Just making sure you get my point. I find randoms in PF. you will not find logs of the parties I complain about cause they were not clears in the first place. I am also sure almost every log you find in FFlogs will not have a WAR puling to start the fight.
Edit again: I also really want you to get this the main complaint is how WHM is treated different in PF they have the lowest party DPS, and the highest aggro anyways. It is not fair how you can find a random tank in PF not be able to hold against you cause you are a WHM, AND they use the fact that your a WHM against you.

[Accelerating]

You have to keep in mind I don't have a static. I run stuff in random PFs and I run into huge numbers of DRK tanks THAT I SEE who complain about WHM in general cause it means they have to turn on grit I have been told on several occasions that I should not DPS just heal because I am a WHM. I know you are a good WHM with a good team to run with but I dont have that. All im trying to say is that I find it sad that a WHM has to work the hardest and smartest for the smallest pay out of the 3 healers.

That isn't WHM's issue then, but tanks being not good enough to play with you. If you can easily steal a tanks aggro by just dpsing too much then any good dps player would get that aggro first. Have you ever seen a good BLM or MCH?

[Velcan]

yes true it is the tank players I have been finding and yes I have seen good MCH, BLM, and Bards that maintain over 3k DPS but almost all of them have groups they run with anyways. I just find it kinda sad that if I were forced to play with that random PF tank I would have been fine if I were one of the other 2 healers.
Edit: Also just in case you missed it, I think you are a pretty awesome WHM who has some pretty good skills, and teammates. I'm off to bed now night.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Honestly, the only way you should be pulling aggro from a tank is if you overgear them or are overhealing. Some tanks don't realize if the group is taking needlessly high avoidable damage, it'll force the healer to spam healer more and therefor generate more aggro than they otherwise would.

[Yeol]

Enmity Lowering Stance? I'd prefer a stance where they manipulate the HP bar. Such as increase it and fill it. Kind of like SCH shields but it increase max HP % rather than shield.

But yeah I understand the enmity issue with WHM when you don't have a good tank. Maybe use SoS when you see your enmity bar blinking in orange? Just like how DPs are using Quelling Strikes at the beginning of their opener, you use SoS depending on your enmity bar.