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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
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    You (or she) didnt really answer my questions, but thats okay because saying "I never thought about offering a compromisse" is kinda speaking for itself too. I didnt asked what happend to her, I asked if she would be okay with that - I really dont want to come off rude here, but I can only repeat: Everyones intrests in PotD are equal. Yours arent more important than those of other people in that run. And it really is up to both sides to communicate and find a solution. I dont know if people in DF are willing to compromisse - but the question here was: is your friend?
    If not, she isnt better than those people you are complaining about.
    Saying "Its not a speedrun anymore if people arent helping me" is correct (and they probably should help instead of being stubborn) but at that moment your friend is just as stubborn and bad as them - and the reason it isnt a speedrun anymore.
    I dont want to truely balme anyone, I'd just like to make you understand that both sides have a legitimate intrest here - your request for help is as valid as their request for faster progression. Complaining about your request being ignored while ignoring their request (because they are mutual exclusive, obviously) is a bit hypocrite - ofc you value your own intrests higher than theirs, but so do they. Expecting them to go out of their way for your sake isnt fair either.
    I gave an idea for a compromisse - sadly, I didnt got to hear if that would be an acceptable solution or not.

    Speedruns at level 50 cap in dungeons and so called "speedruns" in PotD are two different things: Dungeon-Speedruns constist of pulling large amounts of mobs, putting quite a bit of stress on the healer and tank (mainly). Which is most likely the main reason Yoshi said he disliked it - its stressing new people.
    In PotD however speedrunning isnt putting more stress on anyone - its just skipping things. Its "not going for the optional chest that can contain a minion in AK" - its not "pulling everything to the first boosroom and expect people to handle that".

    On the matter of it not being a speedrun anymore... lets just say: While I personally normally dont mind helping (unless the person who requires help acts like a rude jerk, because yes, that happens too), I always have a book and some cross stitching supplies at my desk - so sitting there for 5 minutes afk'ing isnt bothering me that much, even if the run takes longer: I got to use my time in a way that I prefer.

    All I'm trying to say is: Communication here is important on both sides. And only asking for help isnt always enough or doing the trick. You are asking people to go out of their way for your benefit in that moment, while you're not showing that you're willing to do the same for them - at least so far I couldnt see any sign of that; specially not with all that "My way of playing is the correct way! So everyone has to follow it!"-stuff going on.

    ...and one last thing... you dont need to use the DF for PotD at all. You dont even need 4 people at all. If you're already two its very possible to clear that content without DF people at all - but I guess you want to speed your progress up by getting more people in, right...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ririta View Post
    OP's way isn't denying people of their rewards. The speedrunners' way is denying people of rewards that they need.
    Ops way and stand here isnt different from the people who refuse to help - both are having a mindset of "What I want is more important than what the rest of the group wants" - both are equally right and wrong at the same time. And as long as both sides arent willing to go out of their way for the others by a bit, no one wins...
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    Last edited by Vidu; 03-30-2017 at 10:53 AM.