Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[Masekase_Hurricane]

It started to be SE's fault when they removed PvP chat. Now I need to ask why nothing is being done for PvE harassment, since it happens more often and more extreme actions happen like MPK.

Hmmm and how would this have been prevented by having no chat in PVE? The comparison is daft the reason chat was restricted was due to the abuse in PvP. Yes people should grow a thicker skin but at the end of the day some are delicate snowflakes.

Now did you report them for harassment? Cause if you didn't then there is your answer SE is doing nothing about it. This week I have done quite a few runs in POTD some wanted speed runs and some wanted to grab/clear everything. So much easier to just go with the flow and do what the majority wants. If you are not happy with this then leave and eat the penalty.


End of the day if you don't like the risk of maybe getting a speed party. Then create a PF group with people who want the same thing. Albeit this works vice versa if you are not happy with the chance of kill all/chest groups then put it in PF.

[Aldotsk]

I've had really weird experience today in POTD where this Lalafell Dragoon thought I could magically be a PLD and complained that I didn't use clemency on my alt which was lvl 17 Gladiator... and started griefing and throwing the game by using all pomanders and pulled all mobs. He decided to rage quit after.

But another weird experience I had was when there were so many players who refused to explore everything and kept telling me and other player to hurry it up because we are seeking for silver chests and exploring to see if we didn't miss anything. We even missed three Accursed Chest because they yelled at us for not speeding it up. So I spoke up that I would like to find silver chest, and they were laughing about it and said "lol where have you been since launch of POTD" "you should have gotten max stats and had it ready by now." - Like ... excuse me. Not everyone has done POTD, but I did. But no one has capped the stats like they did, and even my main hasn't capped it yet.

[Higashikata]

Just fit yourself to the play style of the party. If the playstyle doesn't allow for special snowflakes then I guess it's tough darts.

[ChimeraXIII]

It started to be SE's fault when they removed PvP chat. Now I need to ask why nothing is being done for PvE harassment, since it happens more often and more extreme actions happen like MPK.

I keep seeing PVPers say this but as a PVE primary and casual PVPer, I haven't experienced this (besides skip soar or disband, anyway, which shouldn't be a problem tbf)? Honestly I have been in a lot of speedrun groups in PotD and find that a full clear isn't really necessary, even if I do want chests. It's faster just to go with the flow and requeue and snipe chests here and there. You wont NEVER run into them. Besides, a lot of groups are pretty chill and will grab chests anyway.

[Beckett]

Let's flip this around: The intended way to play PotD is for all 4 players to stand in the Cairn of Passage and progress to the next floor. When you refuse to stand in the Cairn of Passage, you are disrupting the other players' experience, and by your own logic you are breaking the TOS.

(That clause of the TOS is clearly referring to Disruption of Services attacks. I don't know how you made the leap in logic that it had to do with other players not playing how you want them to.)

[Violyre]

You're right! We should remove all normal chats and replace them with generic things! Anywhere you can type!

You want to skip Soar on Zurvan EX? That's toxic to the bad DPS and healers that only heal! No more party finder comments!

You want to tell someone how mechanics in a dungeon work? Hope your generic phrases can communicate accurately!

Recruiting for your FC by shouting? Incoming spam as individual stock phrases explain what your FC does!

And all those poor, poor ERPers. Why do you want to hurt the ERPers? They didn't do anything to you (or maybe they did...)!

There. We've encompassed the entire game. That's a lot to take in.

So how difficult is it to PvP with just stock phrases? Is it really that hard? Meteors needing to be placed in a specific locale? Protect an NPC or you fail? I can see how stock PvP chat could get annoying when you can't tell people when to stand in floor goop and when not to stand in floor goop.

Sincerely,
Kiriah Aishi
Toxic Player Who Thinks "You're an Idiot" Should Be in PvP Stock Phrases

P.S.

You are just trying to promote toxicity and it offends me.

Watch out, we got someone from Tumblr here.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

No, it is there to give people an alternative to get a weapon, the EXP is supposed to be just a side bonus, not greif people out of getting silvers. You are just trying to promote toxicity and it offends me. If 4/4 do not agree to speed run, you do not speedrun, you cannot greif by majority. At some point you need x amount of arm and armor to even to be able to function on the higher floors. Just because you are not new, does not give you a right to greif new people and making them speed run with you not helping and afking at gate.

Based on? Intention is a made of player interpretation. It's no difference than trying to force a healer to DPS or tanks deciding to pull the entire dungeon. Whoever sets the pace, determines the run. PotD is meant only as a free-for-all where new players can easily participate with friends they otherwise couldn't if they're behind level wise. If one person wants silvers and three don't, you can either go off and search for them yourself or accept the other three aren't going to help clear out every room to look. You can't force them. All you're attempting to do is draw parallels to the PvP chat ban. I'm no fan of it either but imposing more restrictions elsewhere isn't going to undo it.

[ErryK]

You just posted why baning chat in PvP is more harmful then PvE. In PvE the fights are scripted, you do not need to "talk" in PvE. A lot of times people just say "go google it" anyway.

It's more harmful TO PvE, than it is PvP. Are you ignorant or something?

[Vidu]

This is wrong. You are telling me it is ok to greif a new player or a player that needs silvers just because people want to save 5 minutes atbest? That is very selfish. It is not right that 3 or 2 people stand at the gate going "if you dont speed run I will just afk here" since you are no longer speed running are you? You are just making the runs slower just because you want to defend toxic players? Then you reply to BigRed5392 and contradict yourself. So why are you on my case anyway?

Because I was hoping that I could make you understand that there are several reasons to run PotD and that your friend isnt more important than three other people. Those three other people are there to play their game and if they are waiting at the passage and your friend doesnt join them and follows her own agenda instead your friend is disrupting their game at that moment.
But I see now that its pretty useless to explain this to you again - you wanting or prefering something doesnt make it the norm. PotD is a very valid source of exp and saving 5 minutes from a 20 minute run makes the difference of getting 3 or 4 runs into an hour. No random stranger is playing the game for your friend and no random stranger has to. You have a very weird defintion of "griefing" - those people arent "speed running" or skipping chests because they want to harm your friend but because they value their own progression more than yours. They're not playing the game in a way that wasnt intended - again: All you need to do in PotD is to kill X mobs, light the lamp, proceed. Anything else is a bonus and the group decidedes if they want those boni or not.
If anyone wants to be sure that they'll get a party with like minded people they should make a PF or go in with friends - otherwise its majority rules in DF and both sides have the risk of being overruled. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose.

Losing a majority vote isnt harrassment - I understand that you're siding with your friend here, because, well its your friend, but that doesnt make them the most important person in a DF run full of strangers who'd rather go on with their run instead of wasting time on something they dont want or need.

It's more harmful TO PvE, than it is PvP. Are you ignorant or something?

OP thinks its unfair that PvP gets different treatment than PvE... without making any sense....

[ReplicaX]

No, it is there to give people an alternative to get a weapon, the EXP is supposed to be just a side bonus, not greif people out of getting silvers.

That is strictly your opinion.

If XP was a "side bonus" then why is the content available to lvl17+ whether solo or with a group up to 4?
Why has the Producer/Director of this game in many interviews now stated "It is one of the quickest ways to get XP/LvL in the game at this time."

Doesn't sound like a side bonus to me.