Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[dragonseth07]

Speedrunners aren't griefing. One player refusing to cooperate with the 3 people who want to actually progress and intentionally delaying the run... That's another story.

Edit: Obviously, I wouldn't report a chest hunter for griefing, but do you see my point? You don't get to decide what play style is normal and what people should be doing. The community establishes normal, and speedrunners are the norm.

[Ama_Hamada]

One reason to run PotD isnt more valid or important than another one, therefor its up to the party to choose how thy want to play - and why do I have to repeat this so often?

This is wrong. You are telling me it is ok to greif a new player or a player that needs silvers just because people want to save 5 minutes atbest? That is very selfish. It is not right that 3 or 2 people stand at the gate going "if you dont speed run I will just afk here" since you are no longer speed running are you? You are just making the runs slower just because you want to defend toxic players? Then you reply to BigRed5392 and contradict yourself. So why are you on my case anyway?

It is not ok just because you have it all and grief the person that does not. The DF is not for "Maybe they'll have more luck the next run" plus you need to get enough silvers to be able to do the runs. So you are greifing people that need silvers by impeding their programs to save 5 minutes, that is beyond selfish. Speed runs should be in PF only while DF should be as intended, I believe yoshi-P said the same thing when the game was 50. (because back then people where ignoring new people/ min level geared and harassing them over it, especially when the "under geared" person was a healer. At that point it is not because the person did not want to speed run but was physically unable to.

Speedrunners aren't griefing. One player refusing to cooperate with the 3 people who want to actually progress and intentionally delaying the run... That's another story.

Edit: Obviously, I wouldn't report a chest hunter for griefing, but do you see my point? You don't get to decide what play style is normal and what people should be doing. The community establishes normal, and speedrunners are the norm.

No i do not, see above why. When you get speed runners and silver needers in the same df, it is ALWAYS!! the speed runners greifing the chest people, saying they will afk, insult them with names or force fail the run because they do not get their way.

[Vidu]

This is wrong. You are telling me it is ok to greif a new player or a player that needs silvers just because people want to save 5 minutes atbest? That is very selfish. It is not right that 3 or 2 people stand at the gate going "if you dont speed run I will just afk here" since you are no longer speed running are you? You are just making the runs slower just because you want to defend toxic players? Then you reply to BigRed5392 and contradict yourself. So why are you on my case anyway?

Because I was hoping that I could make you understand that there are several reasons to run PotD and that your friend isnt more important than three other people. Those three other people are there to play their game and if they are waiting at the passage and your friend doesnt join them and follows her own agenda instead your friend is disrupting their game at that moment.
But I see now that its pretty useless to explain this to you again - you wanting or prefering something doesnt make it the norm. PotD is a very valid source of exp and saving 5 minutes from a 20 minute run makes the difference of getting 3 or 4 runs into an hour. No random stranger is playing the game for your friend and no random stranger has to. You have a very weird defintion of "griefing" - those people arent "speed running" or skipping chests because they want to harm your friend but because they value their own progression more than yours. They're not playing the game in a way that wasnt intended - again: All you need to do in PotD is to kill X mobs, light the lamp, proceed. Anything else is a bonus and the group decidedes if they want those boni or not.
If anyone wants to be sure that they'll get a party with like minded people they should make a PF or go in with friends - otherwise its majority rules in DF and both sides have the risk of being overruled. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose.

Losing a majority vote isnt harrassment - I understand that you're siding with your friend here, because, well its your friend, but that doesnt make them the most important person in a DF run full of strangers who'd rather go on with their run instead of wasting time on something they dont want or need.

It's more harmful TO PvE, than it is PvP. Are you ignorant or something?

OP thinks its unfair that PvP gets different treatment than PvE... without making any sense....