Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[Vivi_Bushido]

It sucks that happened to you, I'm sorry to hear you went through that but as everyone else has already said, this is not PVP and has nothing to do with PVP. The chat removal in PVP has nothing to do with PotD in anyway, and even if the chat was still there nothing would change.

With that out of the way, kicking is your only option. In a game that caters to Netflix and chillers, that is going to be your only option. They technically aren't doing anything wrong, but you can still kick them since "different playstyles" is apparently an acceptable reason to kick somebody. Your situation isn't much different from the Diadem Afkers. People just like to take the easy way out of things. The phrase "Work smarter not harder" comes to mind. Until SE does something to stop this, they'll view this as the working smarter option.

[Ama_Hamada]

It sucks that happened to you, I'm sorry to hear you went through that but as everyone else has already said, this is not PVP and has nothing to do with PVP. The chat removal in PVP has nothing to do with PotD in anyway, and even if the chat was still there nothing would change.

It has EVERYTHING to do with it. SE and the development team wants to prevent toxicity correct? So why take such a drastic action in one thing, where it is not even a huge problem, and not address issues that are a big problem? Being ignored also does not help, and I am left sitting here asking why? Why only curb behavior where it is not a big deal and not address more serious things?

I dont get you - you're unhappy about them babysitting us in PvP, so now you want to extend that to the whole game?

Do it completely across the whole game or do not do it at all.

By using this example you're making it pretty unclear what you want to talk about - do you want actions taken about the PvE issues

that, if they take actions on PvP they better do it to PvE too otherwise it is unfair. I shouldn't have to deal with PvE toxicity if they want to take actions in PvP

[Vidu]

It has EVERYTHING to do with it. SE and the development team wants to prevent toxicity correct? So why take such a drastic action in one thing, where it is not even a huge problem, and not a dress issues that are a big problem? Being ignored also does not help, and I am left sitting here asking why? Why only curb behavior where it is not a big deal and not address more serious things?


Do it completely across the whole game or do not do it at all.



that, if they take actions on PvP they better do it to PvE too otherwise it is unfair. I shouldn't have to deal with PvE toxicity if they want to take actions in PvP

*sigh*
You dont understand the problem that PvP chat was and why they removed it - and why the same issue doesnt apply in PvE - unless your friend was constantly called a noob, scrub, go kill herself and what not because she set foot into new content thats nothing like PvP-chat used to be.
They removed the chat because the behaviour was very unwelcoming to new PvPers and they wanted to engage more people into that content - and even though I dont like it, I can totally understand the reasons behind it. I'm a very calm and normally pretty nice person, but I think I've shocked more than one friend with all my cursing during our PvP-matches.
I'm also a bit confused that you would call "you want chests? Fine I'll just afk here" major toxic behaviour... when its really not - its not cool either since the group should find a compromisse and work together (and yes, that includes someone who wants chest to back off aswell) but if thats already major toxic behavior I'm wondering if you ever even experienced proper PvP chat...

I dont want more babysitting than necessary and I'm not enterily sure that the one in PvP was needed, but asking for even MORE because you're upset about that makes you seem like someone who throws a tantrum and probably really needs a babysitter...

(oh and look what we're doing here - talking about PvP-chat thats not related to your topic at all because you brought it up, yeah!)

[Vivi_Bushido]

It has EVERYTHING to do with it. SE and the development team wants to prevent toxicity correct? So why take such a drastic action in one thing, where it is not even a huge problem, and not address issues that are a big problem? Being ignored also does not help, and I am left sitting here asking why? Why only curb behavior where it is not a big deal and not address more serious things?

No, no it does not. PvP and PvE toxicity are not related. These are two entirely different things. Secondly, speed running is not a form of toxicity. Just because you disagree or do not approve of something does not make it "toxic". There are lots of things that people want to speed run in this game. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Do it completely across the whole game or do not do it at all.

So what you're suggesting is they should remove the ability to chat in dungeons at all throughout the entire game? Okay...

that, if they take actions on PvP they better do it to PvE too otherwise it is unfair. I shouldn't have to deal with PvE toxicity if they want to take actions in PvP

You really need to relax. Everything comes in baby sets. Maybe they took action in PvP because they felt it was worse there? I mean, have you ever actually seen PvP toxicity before? Secondly, you could always just ignore people. A lot of trolls and toxic people act that way because they want you to react to them. The reactions is what they want.

The only issue I see here is you and these other people have different goals for PotD that're conflicting with each other. To help with your problem, (one that does not involve restricting chat features); SE could add two versions of PotD. Similar to Diadem's Fury/Matron but instead for PotD. One to queue up with others who are interested with farming for treasure chests and another for those who are interested with speed running.

Well I get tired of SE ignoring us sooo... I feel SE does not know how toxic PvE is, and I am here to shed light on it.

Ignoring us? Who's us? You're the only one that has a problem with the chat restrictions. :x

[Ama_Hamada]

No, no it does not. PvP and PvE toxicity are not related. These are two entirely different things. Secondly, speed running is not a form of toxicity. Just because you disagree or do not approve of something does not make it "toxic". There are lots of things that people want to speed run in this game. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

When people literately sit there and afk because you do not want to do what they want to do, it is toxic, harassment, and a ToS violation. This is just an example how PvP is way worse then PvP but they only act on PvP and I am confused why. I came to the forums because if the PvP change, so yes I played in PvP before and after, PvP in feast is unplayable now because of the no chat.

What does more harm then good is letting people gear bypass level requirements for DFs, letting people harass and grief others while no action is taken because it happens over and over and over again.

[Nghthawk]

When people literately sit there and afk because you do not want to do what they want to do, it is toxic, harassment, and a ToS violation.

This is my last post on this topic so on a side note forcing those who are sitting at the the beginning afk'n could also be looked at as toxic, harrassment and ToS violation for forcing those to play a different way. The solution is simple, talk when getting in there. Try to agree that both groups can get what they want, speed run some floors and look for silvers on others. If no agreement can be made expect to butt heads on which group wins out, if for any reason you feel the other group is breaking the ToS report them black list them and move on and let the GM's sort it out.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en
3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.
3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.
and w/e they have for kick abuse.

3.2: Look at my reply above (This works both ways, look for my solution on how to deal with it black list, kick.... etc)
3.3: What one finds offensive will differ greatly among everyone, for all items I responded back to not once did you mention language hence me asking what else you were talking about as it was missing from the post. Report people who are doing this, black list this and move on.

It is up to speedruners to talk, people that are simply farming will not know it is even a thing, like my friend. If you are playing something that is not intended and not the norm, you can't assume others know. Also MPK someone because you will not speedrun and wiping the run is also going too far.

It's up to everyone not just speed runners as its two different play styles. MPK'n is report able offense how ever it's setup to not be a problem. If someone is trying to MPK the group by running ahead into the rooms and bringing them back, it simple follow this guide line:

* Make sure to never regen or healing dot the player (aggro table)
* Stop all aoe spam trying to get the current group down.
* If need be move to 1 room prior with your group of mobs
* Ignore player and the mobs he's bringing back, once (he/she) is dead the mobs will return to their original room. Then report and kick said player and move on.

[Ama_Hamada]

These rules are a double edge sword in your situation. Rule 3.2 states disruption. This goes both ways. While they could be disrupting your gameplay to farm for chests, you're at the same time disrupting their gameplay to speed run. This is a differing interests situation. That is not toxic behavior. It is toxic behavior if they address you with profanity and offensive language.

As for the afkers, just kick them. That's why the option to exists. What more needs to be done?

It is not a double edge sword since speedrunning is not the intended way to play. Also it was referring to the premade on Thok ast thok, theintentional sabotage. Another reason why your statement does not work is because the speed runners refused to any kind of cooperation. This just said "I am going to sit here afk" and that is a clear ToS violation. You can't use playing as intended as disruption.

This is my last post on this topic so on a side note forcing those who are sitting at the the beginning afk'n could also be looked at as toxic, harrassment and ToS violation for forcing those to play a different way. The solution is simple, talk when getting in there. Try to agree that both groups can get what they want, speed run some floors and look for silvers on others. If no agreement can be made expect to butt heads on which group wins out, if for any reason you feel the other group is breaking the ToS report them black list them and move on and let the GM's sort it out.

It is up to speedruners to talk, people that are simply farming will not know it is even a thing, like my friend. If you are playing something that is not intended and not the norm, you can't assume others know. Also MPK someone because you will not speedrun and wiping the run is also going too far.

[Vidu]

It is not a double edge sword since speedrunning is not the intended way to play.

It is up to speedruners to talk, people that are simply farming will not know it is even a thing, like my friend. If you are playing something that is not intended and not the norm, you can't assume others know.

Okay, who says and where does it stand that speed running isnt the intended way to play?
I'm not saying it is - but neither is your version of "get all the chests"!
At least I never loaded into PotD or any dungeon and got a message from the game telling me "you have to get all chests to complete this dungeon" - as far as the game is concerend you need to kill enough mobs in PotD and move on. So its really up to everyone to talk about what they want in there - dont assume that your playstyle is or should be the norm. Getting exp or anything else from there is not less valid of a reason to do PotD and it doesnt involve silver chests, so why care for them?

I'm sorry your friend had a bad experience, but I'm not sure what SE should change about that - report the people if they were really harrassing you and move on. Disabeling chat or votekick in all content is surely not the way to go if thats what you're hoping for - and I dont see what SE should do about this issue except for dealing with our reports. Put a GM to supervise every run?

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

I think most of us are more upset about OP bringing the whole PvP-chat issue into play when its not really connected than anything else. That and at least for me the behaviour of "Because I'm interested in XY that should be the main objective of everyone in my run". Oh and throwing around the way "toxic" when something doesnt go the way they want it - not every bad behaviour is already "toxic", we're using this word waaay to much for minor issues...
Does their experience suck? Surely. Am I trying to defend the people who refuse to get silver chests? Nah, not really - what I'm trying to do however is to remind them that people can run PotD for different reasons and if the majority doesnt share yours, its better to back off and hope your next party will. You're not alone in there - neither are they - but its on both sides to figure out a way to deal with that.

[Vivi_Bushido]

It is not a double edge sword since speedrunning is not the intended way to play. Also it was referring to the premade on Thok ast thok, theintentional sabotage. Another reason why your statement does not work is because the speed runners refused to any kind of cooperation. This just said "I am going to sit here afk" and that is a clear ToS violation. You can't use playing as intended as disruption.



It is up to speedruners to talk, people that are simply farming will not know it is even a thing, like my friend. If you are playing something that is not intended and not the norm, you can't assume others know. Also MPK someone because you will not speedrun and wiping the run is also going too far.

It is up to both sides to talk. If you don't speak up, you're just as much in the wrong as they are. If they did speak up, would you even agree to let them speed run or would you fight against it? Secondly, while that may be the considered intended way to play, doesn't make it wrong or a violation to do something other than intended. There is no wrong way to play. People don't have to go after the treasure chests just because they exist. That would be like punishing players for using phase skipping strats in raids because it's not the original intended method.

[Vidu]

When people literately sit there and afk because you do not want to do what they want to do, it is toxic, harassment, and a ToS violation. This is just an example how PvP is way worse then PvP but they only act on PvP and I am confused why. I came to the forums because if the PvP change, so yes I played in PvP before and after, PvP in feast is unplayable now because of the no chat.

What does more harm then good is letting people gear bypass level requirements for DFs, letting people harass and grief others while no action is taken because it happens over and over and over again.

...and your friend didnt wanted to do what they wanted to do - so this is more of a classic disagrement and not so much that super toxic behaviour you're seeing in it. I could easly imagine someone telling that story from the other perspective: "Three of us were waiting at the lamp to move on, but that one person had to go ahead and look in all 5 rooms for more chests... you could think that after two floors they'd get that we dont want to do that and they're hindering our progression, but they continued, even after being told that we're not interested in chests..."

They changed PvP because people were straight out insulted and yelled at. While that can ofc also happen in PvE it was far more likely in PvP and they were concerend that people wouldnt touch that content because they were afraid of it, I assume (tried to explain this to you already, but oh well...)

And tbh: I consider The Feast far more enjoyable without the constant chat clutter and people insulting each other. Within those 8 minutes you dont have time to type anyways - at least I never had...

You seem to blow those issues way out of proportion when they basically come down to poor communication, people having different goals and not being able to come to a mutual agreement and jerks, that you should just report and move on with your life instead of connecting it to a non connected issue...