Job System details

[Darkhaund]

Makes sense.. i am just "afraid" that they SE IS AFRAID to completely TRASH the Armoury system. Heck if they are makinga NEW GAME.. why not go ahead and make aNEW system rather than this "Frankenstein" thing they are doing?

I can clearly see a "glitch" or balance problem like someone mentioned above where a 50 GLD can out do a paladin with its hybrid abilities and that people end up wanting to play the classes rather than the JOB

[Teakwood]

I suspect the Job system will -really- come into its own when disciplines wind up having more than one associated job. Granted this may not be for quite a while, but there's a lot of potentially fun design space here to explore. I'm looking forward to it.

[Darkhaund]

Wht are you talking about?
Examples?

[Reaujien]

Makes sense.. i am just "afraid" that they SE IS AFRAID to completely TRASH the Armoury system. Heck if they are makinga NEW GAME.. why not go ahead and make aNEW system rather than this "Frankenstein" thing they are doing?

I can clearly see a "glitch" or balance problem like someone mentioned above where a 50 GLD can out do a paladin with its hybrid abilities and that people end up wanting to play the classes rather than the JOB

When they first announced that change in leadership roughly a year ago I have to admit that I was hoping they would trash the armory system as well. However, I think that all they really need to do is add some more restrictions to keep it from being a giant melting pot (or, "Frankenstein" system lol - that description fits really well actually) where everyone is using nearly the same abilities as everyone else. And it looks like they're doing just that with consideration of the last couple big patches and 1.20 just around the corner. I'm definitely excited about learning about the class changes which they have planned for 1.20 - hopefully we'll know sooner than later.

And as far as the question of whether someone would rather use a hybrid class vs. a specialized job, hopefully the job will be specialized in such a way to where is simply out performs any sort of hybrid-version of a class. (I mean, personally I'm optimistic that the jobs will out perform the classes in large-group content). For example, hopefully a PLD can take hits from [insert-giant-boss-here] for say 100 or 200 points of damage per hit (arbitrary numbers of course), whereas a GLA would be getting hit for 500 or 700 points of damage even with all its hybrid-equipped damage mitigating abilities used/up. Obviously, then, no one in their right mind would want to go into that fight as a hybrid GLA instead of a PLD.

[Amsai]

From what I read from that interview, this is exactly what they have stated all along. I remember them saying way back when, that Jobs would be for full group and classes would be for solo/casual/light party. Anyone concerned about if they can pull it off, and make Jobs more effective than classes can stop specualting. Classes = more versatility and less power in a specific role, and Jobs = little/or no versatility and more power in a specific role. For examlpe, Blm might be 15% more powerful of a nuker than just using thm or con nukes. Pld might be 15% more of a better tank than either mrd or gla. Im not stating these as concrete facts, but just as examples as to I beleive it will play out. Meanwhile, Classes will be good for solo content and light party situations, where people need to be more flexible due to lack of members. I don't understand the people that somehow think that max cross-classed built roles would be better than Jobs. Its like your either a master of 1 role and not able to do any others, or you go with being a jack of all trades but a master of none. Pretty straight forward, if you ask me.

[Travesty]

I don't understand the people that somehow think that max cross-classed built roles would be better than Jobs. Its like your either a master of 1 role and not able to do any others, or you go with being a jack of all trades but a master of none. Pretty straight forward, if you ask me.

I don't think a single cross-class build will be better than a single Job. My question is if you have a party of 8, why are 8 Jobs with specific roles going to be better than 8 Jack-of-all-trades, or maybe 7 with 1 Paladin. I think that balance is going to be hard to pull off.

[Felis]

What would you like more in your full party raid?
1 CON and 1 THM as hybrid classes or 1 CON and 1 THM spezialised as BLM and WHM to save your group better and help killing faster?

[Travesty]

What would you like more in your full party raid?
1 CON and 1 THM as hybrid classes or 1 CON and 1 THM spezialised as BLM and WHM to save your group better and help killing faster?

That's not really the equation. It's more like, what would you want, 1 BLM and 1 WHM, or 8 people with Cure and Damage spells, who also attack and do everything else.

Think of it like percentages. If 1 WHM fulfills the "WHM role" at 100% efficiency, but 4 hybrid classes fulfill the role at even just 30% efficiency each, that's still 20% more "WHM powa" than the single WHM.

Of course that's a very rough kind of analysis, but you get what I'm saying.

[Reliquia]

Makes sense.. i am just "afraid" that they SE IS AFRAID to completely TRASH the Armoury system. Heck if they are makinga NEW GAME.. why not go ahead and make aNEW system rather than this "Frankenstein" thing they are doing?

I can clearly see a "glitch" or balance problem like someone mentioned above where a 50 GLD can out do a paladin with its hybrid abilities and that people end up wanting to play the classes rather than the JOB

Initially I thought that adding jobs would make classes somewhat obsolete, but seeing that there's interviews where Yoshi talks about giving the player choices for different sides of the game makes me think that maybe it's not so.

I see this as a little Frankenstein'ish myself lol, but it's got to be a nightmare to balance the combat with classes as well as jobs.

[ChiefCurrahee]

That's not really the equation. It's more like, what would you want, 1 BLM and 1 WHM, or 8 people with Cure and Damage spells, who also attack and do everything else.

Think of it like percentages. If 1 WHM fulfills the "WHM role" at 100% efficiency, but 4 hybrid classes fulfill the role at even just 30% efficiency each, that's still 20% more "WHM powa" than the single WHM.

Of course that's a very rough kind of analysis, but you get what I'm saying.

But then those classes could be losing out on some other aspect.

you can have 1 whm focusing on their job, or have 4 people doing it. But those 4 people are also supposed to be DD, so every time they toss a cure they lose out on an attack round.

I dunno about you, but when I play Lancer I don't want to stuck healing unless its vital for the PT's survival. Same goes when I play any melee class sans Gladiator because Cures are an awesome provoke.