PAX EAST: I was the person that asked the "Challenging content" question at the end.

[Istaru]

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You are absolutely correct. We shouldn't complain or give feedback on the product that we purchase. We should just leave instead.

I'm done with trying to add anything here. The only reply is a broken record.

OP, I hope Yoshida sees your clarification.

BigRed, this is my last comment that I will address to you:

“Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning,” according to Microsoft founder Bill Gates.

That is what we are, their customers. We pay them money in exchange for a product.

[BigRed5392]

You are absolutely correct. We shouldn't complain or give feedback on the product that we purchase. We should just leave instead.

I'm done with trying to add anything here. The only reply is a broken record.

OP, I hope Yoshida sees your clarification.

BigRed, this is my last comment that I will address to you:

“Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning,” according to Microsoft founder Bill Gates.

That is what we are, their customers. We pay them money in exchange for a product.

umm would help if you actually read what I said instead of skimming posts, ASSUMING what is said, then run off on a tangent trying to look cool.

Please point out where I said no one can provide feed back? where did I say people should leave?

All i said was this was asked before, pointed out how often, pointed out each reply.

challenge is subjective, and yoshida's job is to make sure the game is good, AND Promote the game is good.

When providing feedback, there needs to understanding a few things. First makle sure the feedback wasn't already mentioned. Instead of making 1000 threads, make 1 thread with 1000 replies.

Make sure the feedback is clear, and make sure the feedback is made with the understanding of who it will effect. Asking for things for the "right now" can be tricky as stuff may work only for the "right now" but not the long term, which Yoshida and the dev team always consider.

remember all requests effect all regions, NA might want something JP might not. Who do you follow?

Yoshida has been asked this question before, many times since 1.0, in both context, and the clarification. Yoshida and koji are not dumb, and understood what was asked. The reply is still the same "i can't trust you guys, as people complain"

This was a hot topic because of coil, people wanted to see the story, but couldn't play enough to get a static, or had the skill level to beat it. People complained about Alex normal and Alex savage stating it ruined raiding as why bother doing savage if normal has the same bosses, with no extra reward outside of better gear.

As i stated challenge is a subjective thing, you can add 4 tiers, 10 tiers, 100 tiers of higher and higher degrees of difficulty, and people will complain it is too easy.

Resources are spent with each bit of content, between time and money. It takes time to make content, and fine tune it for 1 tier, more tiers adds more time. Stuff gets sacrificed because of lack of time and money.

I'm all for more content, i said that 5 times which you ignored. I'm just stating facts.

1) yoshida understood what was said.

2) yoshida has been asked this a lot

3) people complain no matter what.

[RoninDarkchild]

Yoshida understood what was said.

How many times must it be stated to you, that the answer given was NOT the question I was asking? I already knew the question that he answered prior to going to PAX. Which is why i did not ask that question. My question was NOT related to "more" (ie: something harder than Coil or Alex) challenging content. (Coil was perfect difficulty for "me". And the people asking for harder than coil can go ahead and ask for that if they want) That is what he was talking about, and reiterated when he spoke about If they make "more challenging" people complain. As in how some people complained that wanted more challenge because Coil was easy to them (hence people begged, and were given Coil Savage) And then he answered their call and made Alex harder, and people complained it was too hard. THIS IS NOT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! . There is a segment of the population that feels Coil was easy, and wanted more challenge. "I" am not speaking for or about them. AND they are free to ask for that content if THEY want to. So please stop trying to tell ME, the person who was speaking, about what I was talking about. He wasn't TALKING about "more challenging content" as in numerical. Because there is only 1 (ONE!!!!) such content in the game, and has been that way for 4 years!!! So WHO is complaining about this other content that has NEVER existed???

I really don't get your arguing against what I (and others) was asking for. People who do NOT care about raids, or such content do not have to do it!! No one is forced to play it. But as it stands, everyone else who DOES care about raids and such content are FORCED to play a way they are not interested in. I did not do original Coil Savage!!! I had zero interest in it. But JUST because I had zero interest in coil Savage, does not mean I needed to run around trying to tell people who wanted it, why it should not exist. There is no logical argument on why it should not have existed for the people who wanted it. And a Story mode casual Coil, a Hard (The way Coil was), AND a Savage Coil existing at the same time, would have appeased the majority of the people in all 3 camps. (Casual/Mid, Hardcore, Incredible hardcore). Alex Savage would have avoided it's problems if 3 tiers existed. (Story Normal/Mid, Hardcore (Original coil difficulty), Savage (the new harder Alex). SE hasn't learned to not make content that only caters to ONE group at a time, when they should cater to all 3 with simple tweaks. Will it solve EVERY problem? NO! But it will solve most of them!!

diadem acts like a zone, dungeons are different beasts.

No they are not. Dungeons are zones...

Look at bismark vs bismark extreme. titan >> titan hard >> titan extreme. each has different attacks or presentation.

Irrelevant to what I asked. I did not ask for different attacks or different presentation. Raising the level, attack, and defense of the mobs does not "require" new attacks or new presentation. They stated over and over before hard mode dungeons came out that they could easily release the same dungeons, and change nothing but the level of monsters. But that for Hard mode dungeons they "wanted" to do something special, and go back and rework the entire zone. They felt that if they just released the same dungeon but slapped hard mode on, it may be boring. "I" am saying if you do not have the staff to make brand new content, then an easy compromise is to release the SAME hard mode dungeon but as an Extreme. (new min Ilvl, higher lvl mobs, more def, more attack) It is a compromise! Because something is better than nothing at all. And Raiders would probably enjoy it.

Yoshida has been asked this question before

Not like THIS!! Unless you can point to me at which Q&A he was... Because I can think of various answers to "similar" questions he has given, and I had each one in mind when I asked. Because I wasn't asking the same. Particularly people asking the game to be more like FFXI, or more like 1.0, or for everything to be harder. Which effects EVERYONE. Which my question addresses to make sure it does not effect "everyone".

people complain no matter what

Irrelevant. You will never please 100% of everyone. And I never brought up the question thinking it would. I'm sure someone would come along and still say it was too easy. Not my circus, not my monkeys...

People complained about alex story vs alex savage because it was the some mobs, same attacks just hit harder and had larger hp pools.

I don't care! They cater to two different groups. And they were no concern of mine when crafting my question. And I am glad they both exist. Just like other MMO's that have multiple tiers of the SAME content. If they do not have the staff to do more, I.... am..... fine.... with that.

Content is only challenging once

Irrelevant! If you want content to be challenging for a while, stop giving us content that we are all ALREADY overgeared for!!! Of course content will eventually become easy no matter what you do, after you know how to do the fight, and gear up.....The same content will not be challenging forever. And FFXIV is not a game where the same content will be challenging 8 months later to most people. In this game content has like 6 months before becoming irrelevant. That was not the point.

And I won't be addressing you any further, as you seem dead set on arguing with everyone over things no one is saying least of all, me. It's like you're arguing, just for the sake of arguing.