Why are summoners so neglected?

[Ririta]

Because you know... Deathflare isn't one of the coolest spells in the entire game.... oh wait.

Lazy copy-paste.

First, you can't look for a pattern off one example. We've had one expansion and have no idea what is coming to either BLM or SMN in the second.

If it follows the same pattern as Heavensward;

Black mage: cool, powerful new spells such as Burst and Thunder IV that changes the core gameplay for the better
Summoner: more redundant OGCD abilities just so they have enough potency to have competitive DPS. Zero spells or abilities to interact with the pet, of course. Maybe copy paste Nidhogg's Akh Morn as a "shut up" as those Thunder IV won't animate themselves

[Greedalox]

Lazy copy-paste.



If it follows the same pattern as Heavensward;

Black mage: cool, powerful new spells such as Burst and Thunder IV that changes the core gameplay for the better
Summoner: more redundant OGCD abilities just so they have enough potency to have competitive DPS. Zero spells or abilities to interact with the pet, of course. Maybe copy paste Nidhogg's Akh Morn as a "shut up" as those Thunder IV won't animate themselves

So what you're saying is that there is no pattern to follow, simply an example of your preference now and that it was an overstatement to to claim that Yoshi P has some agenda against Summoners?
Got it.

Also the Death Flare post was hardly copy paste, it's just well regarded as a great looking and cool spell. You just sound agitated.

[Ririta]

Death Flare post was hardly copy paste

It's a literal copy paste from T13. You're so obsessed to "prove OP wrong" that you lost track of reality.

As for the pattern comment, all you did was dismiss it because (argument pulled out of the place where the sun doesn't shines). If I were to say that every single BLM HW spell was unique, while for SMN, only Dreadwyrm Trance did something that no other spell could do, you'd dismiss it too. You're too far gone gotta farm those Likes.

[Magic-Mal]

Lazy copy-paste.



If it follows the same pattern as Heavensward;

Black mage: cool, powerful new spells such as Burst and Thunder IV that changes the core gameplay for the better
Summoner: more redundant OGCD abilities just so they have enough potency to have competitive DPS. Zero spells or abilities to interact with the pet, of course. Maybe copy paste Nidhogg's Akh Morn as a "shut up" as those Thunder IV won't animate themselves

Quit SMN then. It's not going to change into a completely different job in Stormblood. Probably never will. It's not what Yoshi wants and apparently, 20% of DPS players agree.

[Kazrah]

Gotcha. My apologies then, but yes, SMN pets in XIV need to be more responsive.

So that lack of responsiveness is because the AI setup for the egis places their auto-attack as top priority. Basically Garuda-egi makes you look like a loser for a few seconds because it HAS to get off that Wind Blade cast before it feels like doing whatever you told it to do since finishing that auto-cast is higher priority in its ability queue than any other direct command. Same case for SCH fairies, which put an Embrace cast at higher priority over any manually-input commands or move.

Until direct pet commands can instantly cancel a pet's auto-cast, SCH and SMN pets will continue to suffer in terms of responsiveness. However, MCH turrets don't suffer this problem because they don't come with any actual attack commands.

[Hypnotic13371337]

Are you talking about the one-and-only job out of 13 in FFXIV that got exclusive, special treatment in the form of a totally new feature that allows the user to glamour pets anytime they want to anything they want and will continue to get special attention from the Devs to get more glamours like Sephirot and Ramuh overtime? : O

That job?? :0

Yeah, he means the class that forcefully got their "Summons" overwritten with the Egis, when leveling up despite the "New" summons being a carbon copy of the old Carby but with SLIGHTLY higher potency.

Got a problem with it?? :0

[Eloah]

Black mage: cool, powerful new spells such as Burst and Thunder IV that changes the core gameplay for the better
Summoner: more redundant OGCD abilities

Why the hell would you say Thunder IV?

or haven't you heard?

[Greedalox]

It's a literal copy paste from T13. You're so obsessed to "prove OP wrong" that you lost track of reality.

As for the pattern comment, all you did was dismiss it because (argument pulled out of the place where the sun doesn't shines). If I were to say that every single BLM HW spell was unique, while for SMN, only Dreadwyrm Trance did something that no other spell could do, you'd dismiss it too. You're too far gone gotta farm those Likes.

May I ask why you're being so aggressive about it? Do differing opinions immediately put them into the realm of "like farming" instead of differing subjective thoughts?

Death Flare is partly amazing BECAUSE it's from T13. You're so obsessed with making it seem like SE is out to get you that you lost track with reality. Paranoia sucks.


"Did he just DISAGREE with me? Stupid like farmers, there's no way my subjective views are not the objective consensus of the whole playerbase"

[Stitches1974]

So that lack of responsiveness is because the AI setup for the egis places their auto-attack as top priority. Basically Garuda-egi makes you look like a loser for a few seconds because it HAS to get off that Wind Blade cast before it feels like doing whatever you told it to do since finishing that auto-cast is higher priority in its ability queue than any other direct command. Same case for SCH fairies, which put an Embrace cast at higher priority over any manually-input commands or move.

Until direct pet commands can instantly cancel a pet's auto-cast, SCH and SMN pets will continue to suffer in terms of responsiveness. However, MCH turrets don't suffer this problem because they don't come with any actual attack commands.

That was my line of thought until you see the wind blast go off and you're still mashing the buttons, only to see another wind blast go off, instead of contagion.

[Ririta]

Why the hell would you say Thunder IV?

or haven't you heard?

I did; that's why I think that Thunder IV will be possible to exist now as it would be just an animation upgrade.

differing opinions

You're just trolling dude, and I took the bait.

Should've been clear when you started saying that Deathflare wasn't a copy paste.