Request to unlock Hempen set styles

[Gororo]

Ehh, funny how someone really mentions that his/her/whatever's sexual orientation has nothing to do with the urge of wearing female wedding dress as a male when it's all about that.

And before you start some "hate speech", just so you know I've personally been working a lot in RL with LGBT community, and have loads of friends from there, and never met any guy who would like to wear dresses.
Yes, sometimes they make fun by wearing high heels and acting overly feminine way, ofc it has nothing to do with this game, but personally I don't want to see male characters running around with female dresses and turning this game into a "drag race"

And it doesn't have anything to do with if someone is gay or not, it's just something I don't wanna see, and I bet there's a lot of people like me out there, and because of that SE needs to listen to me and likeminded people who are against unlocking gender locks.

But I totally agree with unlocking racial gears, and would like to mix them up.

[Serilda]

Ehh, funny how someone really mentions that his/her/whatever's sexual orientation has nothing to do with the urge of wearing female wedding dress as a male when it's all about that.

It's really not. But you know, maybe the reason that your 'LGBT friends' (or even your straight friends, because clothes and sexuality aren't the exact same thing!) don't tell you if they want to wear dresses because you are so vocal about how other people need to hold back on harmless activities in order to avoid upsetting you. But this issue has nothing to do with sexual orientation or real-life gender. Seriously. You're reading into it all on your own.

[Kosmos992k]

It's really not. But you know, maybe the reason that your 'LGBT friends' (or even your straight friends, because clothes and sexuality aren't the exact same thing!) don't tell you if they want to wear dresses because you are so vocal about how other people need to hold back on harmless activities in order to avoid upsetting you. But this issue has nothing to do with sexual orientation or real-life gender. Seriously. You're reading into it all on your own.

I'm hereby claiming the rights to the following phrase specifically when printed on posters, t-shirts and bumper stickers;

Real men wear skirts too!

[Faliandra]

OK, I do agree that wedding gowns in particular are really specific to females. I completely understand where you are coming from. But it's not something I'm prepared to be confrontational over. On the other hand you mention a mood breaker and game immersion. Tanks with a snowman head and beachwear are not breaking immersion? I'm sure you would agree that they are. I would suggest that they are far more immersion breaking than a male character wearing a traditionally female outfit since you can rationalize that the character is having gender issues and is exploring their female side.

BTW, my best man at my wedding was dressed in exactly the same traditional Scottish wedding outfit that I was wearing all the way down to the Sgian-dubh worn in the hose. Of course, *she* looked wonderful in the outfit, as did her husband (also in the same gear), my wife wore a traditional wedding gown. No one questioned the choice of my best friend to be my best 'man' despite her gender, and no one questioned her dressing in the traditionally male outfit. It wasn't immersion breaking for the guests. I guess I just feel that this is one of those things that really isn't going to benefit from vigorous debate.

Yes, you are absolutely right. I do NOT appreciate snowman heads, pig outfits and other similarly silly looking glams.
And no, a guy wearing a wedding gown is just as immersion breaking as a snowman head. Absolutely no difference to me.
Having gender issues is assumingly far from enjoyable (I can only assume) and I bet its not easy, but it has no place in this game.

Again,youre bringing up RL situations. Why? I already stated that Game and IRL are two separate matters to me.
Stating that it shouldnt have room in the game doesnt outrule it in RL. For all I care,you could let guys wear wedding gowns in a SIMS game (cos its in a modern setting and well, single player, so whatever)
But it's a mood breaker in a typical fantasy MMORPG.

Right, but the game already has multiple dresses which would work for a wedding, and they're not only wearable by males, they are often the only option for males at that particular level of content. The Void Ark gown. The Swansgrace set. The WHM/AST AF2 (AST's was specifically designed to look womanly, while the legs on the WHM set alone would make many real-world brides green with envy). We got a cute dyeable glamour miniskirt in a patch last year. Your immersion is already at breaking point if you're in denial at all of this skirt potential open to male characters, so at what point did it suddenly lurch over into unreasonable territory to insinuate that if female characters wanted to get their hands on yet another piece of relatively masculine gear, I'd expect some basic reciprocation? Nobody is forcing you to come to my server and look at me against your will. If you want things classy, maybe we should also block female Miqo'te from running around in bikinis and force everyone to dress in lore-appropriate ways at all times?

At least you're consistent in that you don't want girls to have anything either ^^;

Stating that there already IS such mood-breaking gear does not justify adding more to it. TBH, I feel like the only reason we are in this state is solely to SE being lazy to create more gender-based gear sets and not because
they want all guys to run around in dresses.
Every other game I've played so far had separate models for male and female characters.
You could tell they were the same set because of the overall style and colors, but they were more catered to the designated gender.

I'm not too fond of pure bikini sets, but as long as its girls wearing them and not guys it's not really too concerning.

1. It's not your place to tell people what they can and can't wear.

2. This is a video game. The characters are not real.

3. It's not your place to tell people what they can and can't wear.

It is just as much of our right to state our opinion as much as it is for others. Debating means you will have both opinions, pro and con.
Technically, by the same argument, its not anyone's place to come here and ask for female stuff to be unlocked for males, because SE
decided to limit it to female-only. Now if someone requests to unlock it to males, i have the same right to request to NOT do that.
Simple.

The game and characters are not real, exactly. No need to go through dangerous and complicated sex-change surgeries.
Drink a fantasia and change your character to a female if you wanna wear specific female gear.

[Serilda]

But it's a mood breaker in a typical fantasy MMORPG.

This isn't a typical fantasy MMORPG. There's an NPC with a gigantic pig head. NPCs walk around in their underwear in every major city and nobody cares. We have Santa suits and idol outfits and Yokai Watch weapons. You can ride a flying tortoise. We allow girls to wear extremely modern fetish bunny suits. The actual racial distribution between players completely contradicts the lore. You would have to close your eyes all the time to pretend that you're in a realistic medieval fantasy kingdom; that's part of the appeal in the first place for a lot of players.

So I need to conform to your need of playing a princess when I don't want to see something like that? I think not, and my character does wear pants, or shorts depending on class.

But what if I don't like tall men to wear shorts?! We're at an impasse since our (completely unreasonable) preferences about how people on different servers look are contradictory. Shorts should only be worn by Lalafell and male Miqo'te under a certain height! Or maybe we could just get on with our lives and not waste time trying to be the local fashion police?

It's particularly strange as the original point was just that locking and unlocking should be fair. How you got so caught up in defending your bizarre need to dictate what other people do is lost on me.

[Gororo]

This isn't a typical fantasy MMORPG. There's an NPC with a gigantic pig head. NPCs walk around in their underwear in every major city and nobody cares. We have Santa suits and idol outfits and Yokai Watch weapons. You can ride a flying tortoise. We allow girls to wear extremely modern fetish bunny suits. The actual racial distribution between players completely contradicts the lore. You would have to close your eyes all the time to pretend that you're in a realistic medieval fantasy kingdom; that's part of the appeal in the first place for a lot of players.



But what if I don't like tall men to wear shorts?! We're at an impasse since our (completely unreasonable) preferences about how people on different servers look are contradictory. Shorts should only be worn by Lalafell and male Miqo'te under a certain height! Or maybe we could just get on with our lives and not waste time trying to be the local fashion police?

It's particularly strange as the original point was just that locking and unlocking should be fair. How you got so caught up in defending your bizarre need to dictate what other people do is lost on me.

Yes, we do have flying tortoises and gigantic pig heads and million other things, they just aren't for one gender and fits everyone nicely (if you can even say that about pig heads), and people can run around in their underwears all I care. Just pig heads etc. are as much game breaker to me as would be male person wearing a female wedding dress.

Shorts like many shirts and other pieces are unisex in this game, and some pieces might fit lala or female miqo'te, or even roegadyn better than elezen, but they don't break the game so to say.
And even though some gears are clearly designed more for females than males or the other way around, and are still without gender locks, I wish SE would design own set for both genders on those occasions.

[Serilda]

Just pig heads etc. are as much game breaker to me as would be male person wearing a female wedding dress.

I'm officially lost. Pig heads (which exist in game) are as bad as males wearing dresses aimed at females (which don't exist in game), yet unisex dresses 'aimed' at females (which do exist in game) aren't ok either while unisex shorts (which do exist in game) are fine. I agree that it would be ideal to have equal attention given to designs for both genders (my posting history attests to this), but at the same time Lukha has a perfectly valid point that her cute Miqo'te boy would look good in lace. It's even more ridiculous when you consider Lalafell, since they are almost identical across the genders but still have to deal with the same bizarre gender lock randomness as everyone else.

Several other posters have made excellent points but at the end of the day, what you're arguing about isn't even the same thing that was originally being discussed. Here's a simplified timeline.

Square-Enix: We'll consider letting everyone wear more clothes!
Almost everyone: Yay!
Wildsprite: I hope this means one day I can use a male-only item too.
Me: That would only be fair if we can use the female-only equivalent, but sure.
Lukha: My character would look good in that!

Thus follows a strange debate about how wrong we are for bringing some kind of nebulous LGBT+ agenda into Eorzea when I am literally just asking for the same treatment as the person with a female character (who received no abuse or aspersions about her real world sexuality or circumstances whatsoever), and Lukha is a woman who is brave enough to admit she likes seeing her Miqo'te in attractive outfits - exactly like a significant proportion of male players of female Miqo'te, who are allowed to do so without being scorned for it. A lot of people don't like the way others dress their characters but it's ultimately their choice and not deserving of personal crusades against things that are already happening in the game anyway. Freaking out about men in gowns in FFXIV is the very definition of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

I stand by my original point. If things are unlocked fairly, I'm totally ok with that and my willowy Elezen would look great in the gear. If they're not going to be unlocked fairly, I don't think it should happen. And to avoid causing unnecessary hurt to those people who do suffer from discrimination over similar issues, my real sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with anything so I would be grateful if people could stop insinuating that it does.