As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Neela]

This opinion really comes from the community that sch is more dps.

actually I would second this if we would talk about general healer dps. -
but for sch even their first cls is way more related to dots and dps
than whm first cls. so not sure bout that if we just focus on sch here.

[HoodRat]

I don't know why you're trying to single out sch. In this game's meta, all tanks and healers are pretty much dps.

[Neela]

And i dont know why you still stick to false advertising after more than 90+ pages :3

[Feyona]

actually I would second this if we would talk about general healer dps. -
but for sch even their first cls is way more related to dots and dps
than whm first cls. so not sure bout that if we just focus on sch here.

Maybe it wasnt given alot of thought as to how it would be used as far as Im aware SE were surpised by healer dps , it just made sense for arcanist to brance out into 2 roles, one healer and the other dps. While I dont profess to know the intention. It being made into 2 dps doesnt make sense. As one is definitely a healer build, and the other is definitely dps and the dps skills shared

[Lambdafish]

Whether you like it or not scholar is a healer, not a dps. Tanks dpsing is not as different as healing is to dps. Its a completely different skill set for a healer to change to dps. I do so hope SE gives scholar their identity back as a healer as otherwise we only have 2 healing classes to choose from.

I never ever said that Scholar was a DPS. Maybe next time you want a ballad, the BRD should ignore you because their job is to DPS not support your MP, maybe NIN should stop using goad, smokescreen, and shadewalker, maybe WAR should stop using storms eye because that increases DPS not enmity. Jobs have more responsibility than that little nameplate would have you believe and there is more depth to the role than you choose to experience. This would be fine in a single player game, but you have a responsibility to the 7 other people in your party to at least attempt to fully understand your job, and you CHOOSE not to. I can forgive struggling to play the role well, I can understand being unable to DPS because it is too difficult, but I cannot forgive choosing not to because "scholar is a healer, not a dps.".

The fact that I even went through and told you how you can split healing and DPS in raid (if you were struggling), and gave you advice on how to easily manage the two responsibilities feels wasted considering you won't even attempt it.

[Deliciou5]

Yes well do you realise that I always do my best for other people too, and if I say I cant dps in a situation it means I actually cant. And maybe that goes for the majority of healers and the ones being harrassed to dps when the situation doesnt allow it.

The only situation that doesn't allow it was the ones the party chooses. If they want you to do something, they have every right to get rid of the people who are holding them back or seeing someone not putting in as much effort as them. If your skill level is not the same as their's they still have the justification to get rid of you if you don't meet their standards of skilled gameplay. It is as simple as that. You shouldn't be allowed to force yourself upon anybody if they don't want you.Sometimes they are toxic jerks, i know i experienced it myself. However i will never say they don't have any good reason to kick people who don't adhere to their standards. It's a team based game, party decides not the individual, you can't force people to accept you.

[Lunafreya]

Whether you like it or not scholar is a healer, not a dps. Tanks dpsing is not as different as healing is to dps. Its a completely different skill set for a healer to change to dps. I do so hope SE gives scholar their identity back as a healer as otherwise we only have 2 healing classes to choose from.

Scholars benefit from accuracy in raids because their dps is super valuable. I'm not saying sch shouldn't always dps but a key component of their toolkit is going to revolve on putting dps up. Scholar can be either dps or healer. If you know the fight as a scholar and your healer can hold their own then there is absolutely no reason where scholar healing is necessary. I would prioritize healing only if your healer is not familiar with fights always but if you guys are familiar then i'd say you are lagging behind a little bit because SCHs have a very valuable dps toolkit. It is why the fairy and fey wind are things for one. They also don't lose cure potency by the fairy in cleric therefore you should absolutely prove yourself as a scholar by dpsing and learning when to dps or heal. In A11S for example, you should be putting succor up for every whirlwind and adlo the healers, tank, and dps during their respective photons. You can also focus a tank in the last phase if you want but for the entire 1st phase you could dps with no healing at all. I see you frequently around these parts and you keep saying you aren't as skilled as other healers which is fair enough. I'm just letting you know you are lagging behind by not respecting an entire class's toolkit. Believe it or not... healer dps helps in fights a lot more than you think.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Maybe next time you want a ballad, the BRD should ignore you because their job is to DPS not support your MP, maybe NIN should stop using goad, smokescreen, and shadewalker, maybe WAR should stop using storms eye because that increases DPS not enmity.

Oh, look. Another poor comparison! Comparing a move you toggle every now and then that is essentially part of the DPS aspect of a DPS job, or just something you click for free off GCD, or a stance that doesn't really hinder you all too much vs Cleric Stance which hinders you quite a bit and comparing it to constantly doing DPS over and over and over until the monster is dead. Even if you compare that your DPS gets nerfed with BRD, it still isn't anywhere near as bad as healer literally swapping their INT and MND and a healer having to keep everyone alive whilst managing this mechanic.

Also, I don't think I've ever seen someone whine about a NIN not using Shadewalker because most people do not care or cannot notice if they have it ready or not.

[Lambdafish]

Oh, look. Another poor comparison!

Oh look, another post that is devoid of common sense or prior reading of anything that I have said on the subject (it only takes looking back a page or two).

Comparing a move you toggle every now and then that is essentially part of the DPS aspect of a DPS job, or just something you click for free off GCD, or a stance that doesn't really hinder you all too much vs Cleric Stance which hinders you quite a bit and comparing it to constantly doing DPS over and over and over until the monster is dead. Even if you compare that your DPS gets nerfed with BRD, it still isn't anywhere near as bad as healer literally swapping their INT and MND and a healer having to keep everyone alive whilst managing this mechanic.

Actually, it is worse for BRD. Cleric stance's drawbacks can be mitigated through proper preparation: using adlo, then rouse, swapping into cleric stance, throwing up DoTs and shadowflare, then going back out of cleric stance is good DPS for not much healing loss, and you would only ever do this if the healing requirement is low, meaning nothing at all is lost. The difference is that there is a cap on how much healing should be done. If everyones HP is full then any extra healing is a waste. There is no cap on DPS meaning that any amount of time spent playing paeon or ballad is a DPS loss for the BRD, and there is no mitigation for this at all.

Let me ask you, if healer DPS and cleric stance should not exist, then A) what the hell are you doing when you don't need to heal? and B) What would you change the system to, because removing it would make healers both overpowered, and more dull to play for many people who are serious about the role.

Also, I don't think I've ever seen someone whine about a NIN not using Shadewalker because most people do not care or cannot notice if they have it ready or not.

I don't think I've ever seen a NIN protest when asked to use shadewalker, or goad. It seems to be only healers that complain when asked to use their full toolkit (oh, except for BRDs that refuse to sing, but they get the same lecture, and honestly are just bad players)

[Feyona]

I never ever said that Scholar was a DPS. Maybe next time you want a ballad, the BRD should ignore you because their job is to DPS not support your MP, maybe NIN should stop using goad, smokescreen, and shadewalker, maybe WAR should stop using storms eye because that increases DPS not enmity.

The fact that I even went through and told you how you can split healing and DPS in raid (if you were struggling), and gave you advice on how to easily manage the two responsibilities feels wasted considering you won't even attempt it.

Well Im so surprised your still thinking I dont dps after all the posts Ive said I do but this community is quite selective on what they want to see. Look up fflogs im on there my dps as scholar is there. I may not even buy SB if this game is supposed to be like work and some are bullying others how to play their role like this.