Umbrites are terrible.

[Nixxe]

I think your misunderstanding something,

First: Doing runs as lvl 60 max has some bonus, when you do certain beastman quest, XP is converted to about 15 tomes of lore instead of getting XP. Hint are you maxed out in rep with them with all beast man?

Second : PoD is more for Max Level for Max tomes on later floors IF you have a good team floors 100-200 give nice sets and mostly are speed runs.

Third and MOST important: Relics are designed to be a grind for those who don't want to do constant savage, EX, Diadem now, and or one to create a weapon more flexible to their needs. Going from 300 tomes to 150 isn't a bad nerf. IF anything it's too much a of a nerf in my opinion.

The key word here is patience and accepting the fact that the way you approach the farming of tomes will burn you out. If I play 4-6 hours a day on my day off, with a solid group I can get close to 2k+ tomes. (closer to 3k ) Farm gear to trade for seals which I use for Crafting materials from airships to start my next one. Personally I don't like to depend on an FC, hence I started my own, one man FC, and just recently opened my doors to people to help them. Once I show them my routine they go off on their own and sometimes ask me to help them as a tank just because they know how I do runs. If you solo you are at the mercy of others for help no matter how you do it. IF you have some connections on and off it helps. 4/5 relics were done before Nerf so trust me THERE is a huge difference in time spent. On a key note. IF you don't like repeat dungeons/raids a relic may not be for you. Not to discourage you, but if you just want the achievement,glamor, story line waiting for further nerfs would be your best bet. Longer wait for them, if any. OR just do current Shire wep as an alternative and set relics as a " As I get tomes " project. That's what I'm doing for jobs all relics and will probably not even use. I do relics just for the achievements and story line really. I feel you, however unlike you I may have more patience. I still play FFXI and believe you. You have no idea what a GRIND really is unless you do Relic, Myth, Empy, and ultimate on FFXI.

As a business model, SE has a solid plan. ( I mayor in business/software engineering ) It's an option, they try to please and players still complain. Overall they are very fair and if anything making it easier. So the demand is there and if anything they are holding pretty strong because they take all perspectives into consideration. Do you have any idea how hard it is to program at times ? Trust me depending on the group, testing, debugging, I would rather spend it my time and money on new content then go back and nerf what is already working the way it should. Should they nerf it more and just sell umbrite at the mog station? If so they should make a relic weapon with less power to show difference between hard work and cash shops.

Like I said, I've been trying to round up some people to do 101+ for PotD. I don't really want to pug random people just because of the way fixed parties work. I'm not maxed out in beast tribe reps, though I've been working on it. I was rank 4 with the Vanu Vanu when I stopped playing last time and the other two weren't available. Ixal and moogle quests were siphoning off my daily allowances though for quite a while, but now that I've got all of my DoH to 60, I just do Vanu Vanu, Vath, and Sylph (the only ARR tribe I have to rank 3) each day. I'm going to do kobold quests with my last three allowances any day I don't rank up.

I actually played basically solo for a long time and in some respects I still do. Being in a small fc with actual people is kind of a nice change. Whereas before it was just myself and a few friends from WoW, all of whom eventually quit, though one of them recently returned. They tend to focus a bit more on raiding though, so while we do things together, a lot of their in-game time is spent in savage.

Once I get past the umbrite step though, I think it will all be downhill from there. Clusters don't look that bad and once I finish that I can actually use the weapon, rather than just leaving it in my bags, which will be nice. I'm closing in on the finish line for the umbrite step anyway, so switching up to another weapon wouldn't make a lot of sense for me. I think I've spent 62/80 umbrites, though unfortunately I've only gotten one +2 bonus thus far, so it looks like I'll need all 80. Once I've finished Sindri Lux, I'll reevaluate whether I want to finish my PLD's weapon as well, though if it has good progress into the umbrite step, it's virtually guaranteed.

[Greedalox]

I think this sort of drama addon to a post is more detrimental to a conversation/subject than multiple threads.

I'm not bothered by the way we give feedback, but I understand some people are. If most people started to give feedback in another way, I'd follow.

Just remember that at the end of the day the forums are for discussion, not flooding. It's up to you how you want to feel about that, especially when others valid complaints and ideas sink to the bottom so that we can have another of the exact. Same. Post.

So it is at others expense, you just prefer to see it as your benefit.

[Ilan]

Let us imagine the people in here, who are complaining about the already nerfed umbrite step, if they had to do the unnerfed step where you had to get the crafted items + the other stuff.

A relic was always grindy, if you don't like it that way then why the hell did you start at all? There are enough weapons that are more than enough for the casual content.

[Nixxe]

Ofc intent matters, specially when it comes to this sort of content. You can voice your opinion on how you dont want to play certain, central aspects of the game all you want and ofc you have the right to do so, but the reason that you came back here after a long break just shows the devs that they need to put content into the game that gives people a reason to stick around. The relic grind is part of that content that is supposed to take long. You're ofc free to not like it and you're ofc free to tell that to the devs, but I'm pretty sure that opinion wont matter to them because its part of their "buisness"-plan for the game to have this grind, so complaining about it will do nothing. You're most likely just making yourself unhappy.

Different parts of this game appeal to different people, not everyone will like every content - and thats okay. The way you're describing your playstyle suggests that the relic-quest isnt content thats supposed to appeal to you - and thats okay. The devs cant possibly make every content appeal to everyone and there are obviously enough people saying "I get enough lore by just playing the game" to introduce a step that requires large amount of lores. Saying that step sucks, because you simply dont want to content doesnt seem like a very solid complain to me.

You're still making this about time, which suggests you're paying little, if any, attention to what I say. I've rather explicitly said it's not about time or effort or even accessibility. It's just about wanting a variety of options on how to pursue it. There's no greater purpose to how the umbrite step works from a story perspective. Rowena just conveniently has it. It wouldn't hurt anything to add in alternate paths to acquire the umbrites or a similar future item and step, much the way crystal sands come from a dozen different sources, which is awesome.

As for remedial lessons in the considerations of game developers, I played WoW for about a decade in addition to other MMOs and I was much more serious about the game, including keeping myself up to date on basically every scrap of information released by Blizzard. As they rather frequently talk about the game and development goals from the perspective of the developers, I am about as well versed as a player who doesn't design games can be in the considerations the developers have when making the product in order to make sure it suits their needs. I am very well aware of the purpose of things like gating and content pacing and the sorts of things they do to retain subs. Their considerations are just not relevant to how I value the product and thus are only very slightly related to the feedback I give.

I'm not expecting to like everything in the game, nor am I particularly bothered by it. I am simply telling them how to make the game more appealing to me if they're interested in doing so. That seems like it should be about as unoffensive and unobjectionable as possible.

[AlexanderThorolund]

If anyone wants my tips on how i achieved 240 in 3 days.

• Blew all my leve allowances on the Needs More Fervor leve quest and got quite lucky with the blue chests, that equated to a massive amount of amber encased vilekin.
• Blue scrips from crafting, custom deliveries and squadron missions and gathering in the Hinterlands.
• Moonstones from traded in dungeon gear.
• Mist and Ink from poetics.
• Elemental materia from new diadem.
• Had a lot of Miachi coins and allagan catalysts saved up from raid runs.

And just lore from ARF and Gubal Hard

[Vidu]

You're still making this about time, which suggests you're paying little, if any, attention to what I say. I've rather explicitly said it's not about time or effort or even accessibility. It's just about wanting a variety of options on how to pursue it. There's no greater purpose to how the umbrite step works from a story perspective. Rowena just conveniently has it. It wouldn't hurt anything to add in alternate paths to acquire the umbrites or a similar future item and step, much the way crystal sands come from a dozen different sources, which is awesome.

And you're constantly missing that the umbrite are purchased with lore, that are coming from a variety of sources, not only one dungeon - people have pointed out the great variety of sources for umbrite/lore for you.
And maybe I didnt made that clear earlier but what I like about those various sources is that they all require you to actually play a DoW/DoM and learn how to. There are way to many players out there, getting their relic weapons but without a clue how to properly use them. Yes, something like Titan HM would be prefered here, but that would make all those casuals just cry even more.
For your story-argument... once in a while its "gameplay over story" - even if you dont like the gameplay. Besides you have the story there: Only Rowena is selling those umbrites and you need to feed them to your weapon. You'll even get a cutscene half through.

Please note that I'm not saying that you personally might need that practice, but a lot of people seem to do. So having a step in the relic quest that not only ensures that people stay subbed but also that they're actually playing their class seems to be a decent solution for me.

[Settiesama]

So all this is about a lack of diversity? Umbrites are about collecting Lore, which a great deal drops, getting you into those to you know, actually play the game. Sand is the other side of the SAME quest, which has a huge number of ways to get it. There is diversity in that quest, a great deal of it. Just because Umbrite is pure lore bound, doesn't take that fact away. There is the diversity in getting sand, and a diversity in getting lore. If you don't like doing dungeons etc. more than once, why exactly do you want/need the relic so much to complain about the 'lack' of diversity?

[Elim]

Just remember that at the end of the day the forums are for discussion, not flooding. It's up to you how you want to feel about that, especially when others valid complaints and ideas sink to the bottom so that we can have another of the exact. Same. Post.

So it is at others expense, you just prefer to see it as your benefit.

If it was at the expense of the majority, if most people were bothered by it, you'd think we'd of changed the way we give feedback by now. I think you might be in the sensitive minority(nothings wrong with being sensitive<3). Could be wrong though!

We are getting off topic though. Starting a thread about how we give feedback might be interesting!

[Greedalox]

If it was at the expense of the majority, if most people were bothered by it, you'd think we'd of changed the way we give feedback by now. I think you might be in the sensitive minority(nothings wrong with being sensitive<3). Could be wrong though!

We are getting off topic though. Starting a thread about how we give feedback might be interesting!

Because public forums are known for sweeping, inclusive and overnight changes for the better.

Please, Sweetie <3

It's because people tend to have your point of view. The "I'll do it when other people start doing it." Nothing will ever happen that way, even if it would be for the better.

You do you, Boo.

[ManuelBravo]

Once I get past the umbrite step though, I think it will all be downhill from there. Clusters don't look that bad and once I finish that I can actually use the weapon, rather than just leaving it in my bags, which will be nice. I'm closing in on the finish line for the umbrite step anyway, so switching up to another weapon wouldn't make a lot of sense for me. I think I've spent 62/80 umbrites, though unfortunately I've only gotten one +2 bonus thus far, so it looks like I'll need all 80. Once I've finished Sindri Lux, I'll reevaluate whether I want to finish my PLD's weapon as well, though if it has good progress into the umbrite step, it's virtually guaranteed.

Actually the umbrite piece is the easy one. compared to rune grind. , Spoiler alert Next phase after clusters you will be grinding, Rune light and if your not doing savage constantly , get ready for a real patience tester. Also IF your doing another relic save your umbrites and sand to around 70. You will get more bonus if you trade them all at once after the first 40 umbrites. 60-70 usually what you need. I've yet to go over 70.