Umbrites are terrible.

[GunksFoy]

I think the point is more that people would have appreciated more ways to obtain the items than we currently have. Lore is a fine method, but it would have been nice to include maybe Centurio Seals like with the Alexandrite step in 2.xx. Just some alternative methods is the request of the post I think.

[Greedalox]

Not sure what the point of this post is.

Are you saying it's pointless to complain because not everyone agrees?

I wouldnt say its pointless because the devs listen to some feedback.

What I'm saying is that it is rather pointless because we get threads just like this about every step of the relics complaining that they don't like what they have to do to get the step done. Disagreeing on something doesn't really matter because some people like the steps and some people don't, but these threads will always pop up anyhoo.

What I'm saying is that letting everyone know you don't appreciate the relic step is pointless at this point, because SE has more than enough feedback over the course of 2 expansions of steps. What comes next is not what you feel, but what they implement in the future. Hopefully it's good

Edit: Oh and I'm not saying you can't complain, I'm saying it might just fall on deaf ears at this point.

[Elim]

What I'm saying is that it is rather pointless because we get threads just like this about every step of the relics complaining that they don't like what they have to do to get the step done.

What I'm saying is that letting everyone know you don't appreciate the relic step is pointless at this point, because SE has more than enough feedback

Again I disagree. In my experience, the more feedback on the same subject the better chance that the devs will respond in some way. Responding could mean that there will never be a step exactly the same, or it could be that they tell us we "need to calm down". Either way, not pointless in my book.

[Greedalox]

Again I disagree. In my experience, the more feedback on the same subject the better chance that the devs will respond in some way. Responding could mean that there will never be a step exactly the same, or it could be that they tell us we "need to calm down". Either way, not pointless in my book.

That attitude is how we get flooded with Healer DPS threads in General Discussion ;_;

We should pick and choose our battles, and compile our efforts into established threads instead of breaking apart our points into litter on the forums. Yes more feedback is good, but not when you have to sift for it.

[Faliandra]

Intent doesn't matter. This is a business-consumer relationship and the point of feedback is to inform the business of how they might increase the value of their service or product to you, so as to more reliably retain your business or gain additional business from you. The business takes the feedback and then does whatever they want with it, even if it's nothing at all, while the consumer continues to evaluate the value of their purchase at every transaction. If one or both of you eventually feel like what you're getting out of the transaction isn't worth what you're putting into it, you just walk away. No hard feelings. It's just business.

And if you bug in to request changes that other active players do not agree with, you gotta deal with it.
They're not dependant on your single sub but you sound so entitled like things need to be changed up just so they can keep YOUR sub.

To favour your suggestion and keep your sub, it may mean having to give up on other subs because they do not agree with you.

I also dont really value your opinion here highly because from what you've been saying here, it really seems that you do not enjoy the typical MMORPG playstyle.
Youre more than likely to take another big break at one point and hence, arent as valuable of a customer as some other people who enjoy the game and stay subbed.

I do not appreciate suggestions of a person who is essentially trying to turn a typical MMORPG into something it's not.
Dont enjoy it? Dont play it. But here you are, opening this thread because you feel your opinion is important enough to be voiced.
Well, then you will sadly have to deal with people like me disagreeing with you. Because I also feel that I should let the devs know that I disagree with you. It's just business.

[Elim]

That attitude is how we get flooded with Healer DPS threads in General Discussion ;_;

We should pick and choose our battles, and compile our efforts into established threads instead of breaking apart our points into litter on the forums. Yes more feedback is good, but not when you have to sift for it.

I don't think that's going to happen. Not everyone is going to agree on what battles are worth fighting. I don't see an issue with the way we provide feedback, not that I wouldn't like doing it in other ways.

[Greedalox]

I don't think that's going to happen. Not everyone is going to agree on what battles are worth fighting. I don't see an issue with the way we provide feedback, not that I wouldn't like doing it in other ways.

You don't see anything wrong with intentional spamming on a gaming forum in the most populated area of General Discussion to get what you want at the expense of others viewing?

Okay. I guess that's that then. lol.

And the point isn't to have echo chamber threads btw, it's to have a condensed and compiled area for discussion in the form of a thread.

[Nixxe]

And if you bug in to request changes that other active players do not agree with, you gotta deal with it.
They're not dependant on your single sub but you sound so entitled like things need to be changed up just so they can keep YOUR sub.

To favour your suggestion and keep your sub, it may mean having to give up on other subs because they do not agree with you.

I also dont really value your opinion here highly because from what you've been saying here, it really seems that you do not enjoy the typical MMORPG playstyle.
Youre more than likely to take another big break at one point and hence, arent as valuable of a customer as some other people who enjoy the game and stay subbed.

I do not appreciate suggestions of a person who is essentially trying to turn a typical MMORPG into something it's not.
Dont enjoy it? Dont play it. But here you are, opening this thread because you feel your opinion is important enough to be voiced.
Well, then you will sadly have to deal with people like me disagreeing with you. Because I also feel that I should let the devs know that I disagree with you. It's just business.

There's nothing entitled about it. You're reading into it what you want to see because you've been treating this like a personal attack on you since the start. Having said that, it's obvious from every post you've made in this thread that you can't handle this topic in a mature or constructive fashion, so I will not be wasting further time responding to you. If you care to change that, I will reconsider that decision. Have a nice day.

[Vidu]

Intent doesn't matter. This is a business-consumer relationship and the point of feedback is to inform the business of how they might increase the value of their service or product to you, so as to more reliably retain your business or gain additional business from you. The business takes the feedback and then does whatever they want with it, even if it's nothing at all, while the consumer continues to evaluate the value of their purchase at every transaction. If one or both of you eventually feel like what you're getting out of the transaction isn't worth what you're putting into it, you just walk away. No hard feelings. It's just business.

Ofc intent matters, specially when it comes to this sort of content. You can voice your opinion on how you dont want to play certain, central aspects of the game all you want and ofc you have the right to do so, but the reason that you came back here after a long break just shows the devs that they need to put content into the game that gives people a reason to stick around. The relic grind is part of that content that is supposed to take long. You're ofc free to not like it and you're ofc free to tell that to the devs, but I'm pretty sure that opinion wont matter to them because its part of their "buisness"-plan for the game to have this grind, so complaining about it will do nothing. You're most likely just making yourself unhappy.

Different parts of this game appeal to different people, not everyone will like every content - and thats okay. The way you're describing your playstyle suggests that the relic-quest isnt content thats supposed to appeal to you - and thats okay. The devs cant possibly make every content appeal to everyone and there are obviously enough people saying "I get enough lore by just playing the game" to introduce a step that requires large amount of lores. Saying that step sucks, because you simply dont want to content doesnt seem like a very solid complain to me.

[Elim]

to get what you want at the expense of others viewing?

I think this sort of drama addon to a post is more detrimental to a conversation/subject than multiple threads.

I'm not bothered by the way we give feedback, but I understand some people are. If most people started to give feedback in another way, I'd follow.