Split SCH and SMN already! The poblems are just going to keep increasing!!!

[SomeRandomHuman]

A friend of mine and I did the math awhile back. Being full int in scholar only shaves off roughly 50ish HP per heal from you and it doesn't affect eos/selene at all since they scale with gear and not mind, so constantly switching back and forth is really just and OCD thing more than necessity. We also tested it ourselves. It was back in 2.x so the drop off may be closer to 75ish but that's still negligible.

[Faliandra]

It really isnt such a big deal you make it out to be? I never had actual ISSUES in low lvl dungeons due to not having leeches.
Sure would be nice to have, but calling it a nightmare is...a little over the top.

But I would appreciate if stat points could be distributed separately.
I do tend to play SCH more than SMN, so my SCH gets the MND points. My SMN still does PLENTY of dps. So I dont even bother swapping stats there ( I do not raid savage with those anyway).

So, really, I'm not opposed to the split at all. But you make it sound like its an urgency, which its not.

A friend of mine and I did the math awhile back. Being full int in scholar only shaves off roughly 50ish HP per heal from you and it doesn't affect eos/selene at all since they scale with gear and not mind, so constantly switching back and forth is really just and OCD thing more than necessity. We also tested it ourselves. It was back in 2.x so the drop off may be closer to 75ish but that's still negligible.

No. It does shave off a good bit of healing. Like several hundreds at least. I made the change a few months ago.
So considering a SCH should go for crit (because crit shields are awesome), it can shave off around 1k+ from your crit heals, which should happen fairly often with a decent amount of crit. I definitely noticed the difference. ;/

Also, as for the fairy, I do not wanna argue about what its heal potency is based off because I'm really not into the deep maths of theorycrafting, but TO ME it seemed like her healing did profit from the extra MND points too.

I let Eos heal every baby level dungeon with no issues. So I'm not wrong. You have other tools from Eos you should be using for specific attacks in fights. Pay attention more and you will notice that.

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[SomeRandomHuman]

Also, as for the fairy, I do not wanna argue about what its heal potency is based off because I'm really not into the deep maths of theorycrafting, but TO ME it seemed like her healing did profit from the extra MND points too.

Eos/Selene do have a small modifier based on mind but its about as worth while as stacking det on smn just to increase pet damage. The scale level is just so low that its basically nonexistent. The fairy will still reach its plateau the same way though.

Not meant to sound like an argument but just to pass along observations.

[Gemina]

A friend of mine and I did the math awhile back. Being full int in scholar only shaves off roughly 50ish HP per heal from you and it doesn't affect eos/selene at all since they scale with gear and not mind, so constantly switching back and forth is really just and OCD thing more than necessity. We also tested it ourselves. It was back in 2.x so the drop off may be closer to 75ish but that's still negligible.

The reduction to heal potency by going full INT on SCH is not the problem. A SCH who allocates all points to mind not only increases their healing potency, it also ramps up their offensive potency because of Cleric Stance. Cleric stance swaps MND and INT point for point, so if all those point are allocated towards INT, both your heals and your offensive magicks are effectively gimped.

Two other things to consider: The first are your adlo crits. The stronger your heals are, the more your shields mitigate damage, and a strong adlo crit can pretty much negate a tank buster and/or keep your DPS window open for much longer. The second is SCH's are already lacking in healing potency. They have the lowest of all the healers, which is why they have their nigh infinite MP pool, so when you actually do have to heal, you want them to hit for as much as possible so you spend less gcds bringing players back to a safe HP levels.

There's no getting around the point swapping SCH/SMN currently have to do if you want to play these jobs to their fullest potential.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Two other things to consider: The first are your adlo crits. The stronger your heals are, the more your shields mitigate damage, and a strong adlo crit can pretty much negate a tank buster and/or keep your DPS window open for much longer. The second is SCH's are already lacking in healing potency. They have the lowest of all the healers, which is why they have their nigh infinite MP pool, so when you actually do have to heal, you want them to hit for as much as possible so you spend less gcds bringing players back to a safe HP levels.

There's no getting around the point swapping SCH/SMN currently have to do if you want to play these jobs to their fullest potential.

This is for the crazy min/max players. How many people in this game actually do that. Your points are valid yes, but it doesn't change the fact that all 35 points in int on sch isn't game changing. I play smn and sch both and the points are needed more in smn than sch. The fairy scales more off gear than mind so healing isn't an issiue(I've solo healed A11 normal when it first came out).

[Gemina]

This is for the crazy min/max players. How many people in this game actually do that. Your points are valid yes, but it doesn't change the fact that all 35 points in int on sch isn't game changing. I play smn and sch both and the points are needed more in smn than sch. The fairy scales more off gear than mind so healing isn't an issiue(I've solo healed A11 normal when it first came out).

Again, keeping groups healed isn't the issue. Your fairy will normally take care of 65-90% of healing throughout the game's content anyway. Your DPS and shield potency goes down though. The 35 points is basically a piece of gear you're missing. You are right that it is not game changing, but the SCH who allocates their points correctly is going to hit harder and their shields will be more potent than the one who doesn't. I'm not even a min/max player, and I don't raid. I swap the points because it is VERY easy to do. It is inconvenient. I totally get that, which is why I don't swap every time I switch between the two jobs. Just when entering instances with other players.

[Eloah]

This is for the crazy min/max players. How many people in this game actually do that. Your points are valid yes, but it doesn't change the fact that all 35 points in int on sch isn't game changing. I play smn and sch both and the points are needed more in smn than sch. The fairy scales more off gear than mind so healing isn't an issue(I've solo healed A11 normal when it first came out).

Again, keeping groups healed isn't the issue. Your fairy will normally take care of 65-90% of healing throughout the game's content anyway. Your DPS and shield potency goes down though. The 35 points is basically a piece of gear you're missing. You are right that it is not game changing, but the SCH who allocates their points correctly is going to hit harder and their shields will be more potent than the one who doesn't. I'm not even a min/max player, and I don't raid. I swap the points because it is VERY easy to do. It is inconvenient. I totally get that, which is why I don't swap every time I switch between the two jobs. Just when entering instances with other players.

You both have a valid point that the extra points offer a benefit, but the effect isn't as noticeable as you'd think. I did tests to compare the two with the points allocated in both Mind and Intelligence. Basically where the wider margin is, is where the points should be placed. In ARR, the game favored SCH so placing the points in Int for SMN was better. In HW the game favors SMN so putting the points in Mind is better. What it boiled down to was like a fraction of a percentage, it's hard to describe it... but lets say the the difference is 20pts for SMN and 40pts for SCH, SCH would need the extra boost, and vice versa. Once SB comes out, and the game receives its semi-major overhaul, I'll do the tests again. Maybe it'll stay as it is now, maybe it it'll switch back. Or maybe they will remove the stupid points since they really have no purpose but to provide pseudo-customization.

Oh and piggybacking further up this conversation, to what Gemina said about SCH having the lowest healing potency, that's actually not true. If anything they have the highest; the only difference being is it's not burst heals. I know it might look it with Lustrate and Indomitably, but it's not. Also the fairy compensates for that slightly lower mind stat, but they scale more from Det, which we only get from gear. This is the reason they had a hard time balancing AST and keeping things in check with WHM; besides the whole SCH/SMN "issue" they made SCH too "perfect" so they had to find the balance without taking away too much.