Split SCH and SMN already! The poblems are just going to keep increasing!!!

[ErryK]

I know it hurts your healing pride to not be able to leeches before 40, but we have eos. There isn't a DoT that can contend with whispering Dawn. You could argue paralysis, but who the hell is stepping in stupid? Fey caress is also available.

Paralysis does not exist in AoE form exclusively, some Paralyzing debuffs come from single-target damage.

Regardless, Selene has Fey Caress at Lv20 as well.

[bass9020]

You are 60, do it at 38 at level, your not healing that on eos alone.

Problem with the people replying here is they forget what it is like being at level to things. Level sync/ gear sync makes you OP as hell.

Leeches should be 15, I do not know why it isn't and blindly accepting things for how they are are not helping matters.

I did many times before being level 60 or even 50. Just have to pay attention to the skills you have and using Eos to her full potential. Im not trying to say its not hard but theres a reason certain skills come at certain levels. (except shield oath still don't get that one.)

[Ama_Hamada]

Paralysis does not exist in AoE form exclusively, some Paralyzing debuffs come from single-target damage.

Regardless, Selene has Fey Caress at Lv20 as well.

that is no excuse, first off EoS and selene can't be out together and second off it is a 60 sec recast on a pet command.

Leeches should be 15, I do not understand "oh jsut leave it the way it is because I am used to it"

I did many times before being level 60 or even 50. Just have to pay attention to the skills you have and using Eos to her full potential. Im not trying to say its not hard but theres a reason certain skills come at certain levels. (except shield oath still don't get that one.)

38 =/= 50!!!! you are overgeared and level synced down it isn't the same

[Bacent]

I know it hurts your healing pride to not be able to leeches before 40, but we have eos. There isn't a DoT that can contend with whispering Dawn. You could argue paralysis, but who the hell is stepping in stupid? Fey caress is also available.

Don't forget that Spine Drops are cheap, and players can use them, and echo drops, on other players.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

First of all SCH is perfectly capeable of healing effectively at ALL levels and calling it a nightmare is blowing things way out of proportion. As has been stated we get Eos which works fine. Second of all it's been stated that the combat system is being revamped in 4.0 anyway so reworks for healer skills like leaches and esuna may already be in the works. Third of all the stat points make a negligible difference and swapping them back and forth is super cheap and easy anyway. SCH is perfectly fine as is. If there is any healer that needs some love right now it's WHM.

[loreleidiangelo]

I can't believe of all the excellent reasons as to why SCH and SMN should be divorced from the ACN class and adjusted accordingly, that not having LEECHES until level 40 is the hill the OP wants to die on. Seriously? Nothing about SCHs insanely efficient DPS DoTs stemming from ACN roots? Nothing about how the short recast and high rate of return on Aetherflow was clearly designed with SMN MP consumption in mind and not SCHs naturally high healer MP pool, leading to them having virtually no mana issues in any content ever? Not even an honorable mention on how a SMN is single-handedly the only class that can save a run from a wipe when both healers go down due to Resurrection being a required skill for SCH?

But no, go on, tell me all about how the real problem here is that you don't have a cleanse until level 40.

[Felis]

38 =/= 50!!!! you are overgeared and level synced down it isn't the same

Lv 50 and synched down to lv 40 = Lv 40 in full ilevel 40 equip with main stats on cap (green gear or crafted HQ)

[Rhindas]

Let me preface this by saying that yes, SCH should have their cleanse a lot earlier than they do. It's an artifact of their class design and it's something that does need addressed. And it probably will be in Stormblood with shared abilities.

However, I don't know how to make this non-condescending but at this point since you're fuming I just have to bluntly say that a good SCH will have zero trouble in any of these situations. You can let Eos/Selene solo heal virtually any dungeon once you master cooldowns and shield usage -- level synced or not -- if you know how to micromanage. Assuming your tank isn't an idiot, of course, and then at that point that's not the job's design flaws there. Managing your faerie and her cooldowns is something that should be learned if you want to master this job.

I can, and have, been healing Cutter's Cry on SCH since release. Even before I was synced. Even with a WAR before their buffs. There is *nothing* in there that requires Leeches. Nor Esuna. Nor Exalted Detriment. Eos can completely overwrite Poison with auto heals *alone,* but Whispering Dawn, which you should not be letting her spam, makes it like it's not even there. Then there's Succor. Sludge in the sandworm is annoying but Adloquium can make it a non issue (and did you know that if the target has a shield up, if the Sandworm's attack does 0 damage, Sludge will not apply?), and if you're using Place/Obey to put her near a Sludged person then Eos/Selene have it covered. Paralysis in the Chimera can be 100% avoided if people aren't stupid but even if they are the Chimera doesn't do anything immediately after Dragon's Voice or Cacophony so the paralyzed person can get to a safe place. You can't remove the frost from Ram's Voice so that's just the players' punishment for not moving. SCHs are also the kings of MP efficiency, so even if you have to spam heals because of everyone getting debuffed, you're still in no trouble. If you're running out of MP using Adlo, then either you're using it wrong (don't spam it) or your party is just bad. Energy Siphon (which you have in Cutter's) will *quickly* restore your MP.

SCHs need to be calm, calculating, and strategic with plenty of foresight. They have everything they need to get the job done at any level. There is a reason why they are so powerful and can be a 3rd DPS and sometimes literally autopilot through a dungeon.

[ErryK]

that is no excuse, first off EoS and selene can't be out together and second off it is a 60 sec recast on a pet command.

Leeches should be 15, I do not understand "oh jsut leave it the way it is because I am used to it"

Well, one, "Eos and Selene can't be out together" Well, okay, I mean, Summon I and Summon II can be used regardless of whichever pet is out.
Two, 60 sec recast on a pet command is irrelevant when it is a low level dungeon.
Three, I was never against Leeches being made a spell at lower level, but what would you remove from the ACN skillset to replace it with Leeches? Separating SMN and SCH is a little more than just separating them into ACN->SMN and SCH.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Also, as for the fairy, I do not wanna argue about what its heal potency is based off because I'm really not into the deep maths of theorycrafting, but TO ME it seemed like her healing did profit from the extra MND points too.

Eos/Selene do have a small modifier based on mind but its about as worth while as stacking det on smn just to increase pet damage. The scale level is just so low that its basically nonexistent. The fairy will still reach its plateau the same way though.

Not meant to sound like an argument but just to pass along observations.