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[Kallistra]

OP, removing the vote kick command would not fix anything, it would in fact make things worse for a lot of people.

Let's pretend you have a little DPS who is newish to the game, they're leveling their first character, don't really have any friends. They get to AV for the very first time and queue solo. After a painfully long wait, they get in. Healer says, "Ugh, not this run." And proceeds to sit down and not move. If it was the tank sitting there--with a confident healer, even just one good DPS, and small pulls--you could push your way through the dungeon, sure. But you won't be clearing any bosses without a healer. Why should this party have to vote abandon just because one person refuses to do anything and there is no way to remove them? How is that fair to people who are new and haven't made many friends yet, people who have returned after a long time away to find none of their friends play anymore? Those are people who use the DF the most because going with a 4/4 premade isn't always an option for everyone all the time. Not to mention not all roulettes can be done in parties (mentor and frontlines for example).

And what about other problem dungeons like the Aery or the Vault? Both of these dungeons have final bosses that make any issues within the party really obvious. Why should 3/4 people have to suffer through another queue, another 20-40min dungeon, just to get stuck at the final boss because one member cannot preform and there is no way to remove them other than to disband? I remember leveling my DRK and getting an Aery run with a DRG who only used Impulsive Drive. Nothing else. The other DPS in our party died to Sable because they weren't being freed and by the time the adds came out, they had double weakness. The healer is MP spent so they're not DPSing, the DRG is hitting like a limp noodle, the other DPS is trying his best with double weakness and I'm trying my best to DPS without taking too much damage so the healer can conserve some MP. But we could not meet the DPS check and the DRG wouldn't listen to any pointers. So they were removed, and we cleared with a new DPS the next try. I was actually in a Vault run today where we had to remove the healer at the final boss because they just could not keep up with the damage. It wasn't because the tank or my co-DPS weren't dodging, but this healer just wasn't able to handle AoE healing + healing the tank + moving out of AoEs. I'm not going to sit there and watch everyone's rotation so I can vote dismiss at the earliest signs of trouble, in both these instances the rest of us were able to preform well enough for the issues with our fourth member to go unnoticed until we needed to rely on their performance.

What about people who are intentionally trolling? Say you queue up for a 24man and you have like 3 members in your party on classes and they are just there to voke and kite the boss and kill as many people with cleaves and AoEs as possible. With a majority vote they can be removed, all of them if they are that much of a problem that 3 members are willing to dismiss. Why make 21 people suffer because of 3 people who can easily be removed? And leechers? (I personally haven't seen any in PvE content that I can remember, but I remember seeing them in PvP once in a while) Why should I let someone get away with auto running into a wall in 72man and collect their tomes and/or victory when they didn't help?

Yes, some people abuse the vote dismiss, but that's why it has a cooldown. It does NOT need removing, but it might need some adjusting. For example, make dismisses in a 4/4 party require 3/4 to approve the kick instead of 2/4 or make it so you can only dismiss one person everyday. Removing a function is not a solution, it is just creating another web of problems.

[LalaRu]

...Yes, some people abuse the vote dismiss, but that's why it has a cooldown. It does NOT need removing, but it might need some adjusting. For example, make dismisses in a 4/4 party require 3/4 to approve the kick instead of 2/4 or make it so you can only dismiss one person everyday. Removing a function is not a solution, it is just creating another web of problems.

Your post made me think over OP and yes, you suggestion have so much sense that I feel it as a better candidate for dealing with the feature than plain removal.

I'm not sitting on my high horse and if I see better reasoning I will acknowledge it. Kudos to you.