[suggestion] Old raids/extreme primals roulette

[Pink2]

Hi,
I play on NA/JP data centers.
How about making roulette for old raids and old extreme primals?
Many players do them unsynched (for wondrous tales usually), but there are old and new players who want to do it synched.

1. Queue time is long, even queueing as tank.

2. Not all, but some mentors (NA players in common) complain from the start of duty, and blame new players after the wipe.

3. If there are first timers more than half in the party, it is like unable to clear it. I am ok with trying many times to fail, but most of players don't want it. Some of them just leave after some wipes. (After one leave the duty, none comes for many cases. Then others should leave the duty and queue it for long time again.)

There could be some mentors want to exclude old extreme primals from mentor roulette. But I don't agree with it. Because it would be easier than just runing with new players when old raids/extreme primals roulette works.


EDIT: (I've just heard that trade mentors also can do mentor roulette. if it is true, mentor roulette shouldn't include ex primals... instead, need old raid/ex primals roulette)

[ManuelBravo]

Mentor Collette does Extreme primal battles, as for old raids seems now mainly with assistant of your FC or need a raid group. At least from my experience.

[Vidu]

That has been suggested several times already, but I dont really see why its needed - if you want to do those raids and primals properly you're better off without the DF, because as you pointed out correctly:

3. If there are first timers more than half in the party, it is like unable to clear it. I am ok with trying many times to fail, but most of players don't want it. Some of them just leave after some wipes. (After one leave the duty, none comes for many cases. Then others should leave the duty and queue it for long time again.)

If you want to do them synched, forming a party and learning the fight is the better bet than going through DF, I'd say... a roulette wont change that. The reason the queue-times are so long is indeed because no one does them through DF, but I doubt a roulette would really change that, it would just make it even more frustrating.

[Pink2]

Mentor Collette does Extreme primal battles, as for old raids seems now mainly with assistant of your FC or need a raid group. At least from my experience.

Yes if you are in the FC you can do it with the members, but some FC are not big enough to do them unsynched. (solo players, of course they can't get any help from the FC.)
And.. well mentor roulette... I don't think it helps much on extremes from my experience. Some mentors are nice, and help new players to clear it. But also, there are the mentors don't help at all :/
At least, old raids/extreme primals roulette is needed on 4.x in my opinion. (3.x old raids/extreme primals would be included the roulette on 4.x)

[Pink2]

That has been suggested several times already, but I dont really see why its needed - if you want to do those raids and primals properly you're better off without the DF, because as you pointed out correctly:

If you want to do them synched, forming a party and learning the fight is the better bet than going through DF, I'd say... a roulette wont change that. The reason the queue-times are so long is indeed because no one does them through DF, but I doubt a roulette would really change that, it would just make it even more frustrating.

I alr tried it, but df was faster than pf. thanks though.
And if the roulette has good rewards, it would help I guess. at least better than now, because ppl que it with knowing what they're queing. (mentor roulette has other duties also)

[Vidu]

I alr tried it, but df was faster than pf. thanks though.
And if the roulette has good rewards, it would help I guess. at least better than now, because ppl que it with knowing what they're queing. (mentor roulette has other duties also)

So, what you essiantially want is having competend people who have a good knowledge of the fights to queue for them again, so newbies can clear it in DF...?
I mean, I do see where you're coming from but I also see a lot of issues with that. You pointed out yourself that clearing several fights is very unlikely when there are lots of new people who dont know the fight - a roulette wont fix that either. We also have fairly simple trials and raids and more difficult ones. Clearing T1 or Shiva EX in DF isnt (or at least wasnt) to difficult, even with new people - but compare that to fights like T13 (that kinda requires a certain set-up, or at least used to, when done synched) or Ramuh (a primal that requires great amount of coordination).
I could actually see a LOT of people bailing on the more difficult trials, because a 30 minute lockout will still be shorter than trying T13 with two scholars and three dragoons.

I also dont understand your point about "people knowing what they're queuing for"?
To unlock your mentor roulette you must have cleared all those fights - that would be the same for the EX-trials roulette, I assume? Neither ensures that that person actually knows all the fights inside out - after all they could have cleared them unsyched aswell, so I dont see your point?
Or did you mean that this roulette would make sure that people who are queuing for a fight did their research before? Nah... nah...

I understand that you'd like to do those fights the proper way, but I doubt a roulette will help here. Doing this the proper way means: Learning the fights all over again. Getting your clear with 7 people who know any fight already isnt "clearing it properly" either, its a carry - I dont wanna sound rude but when you say "We cant clear this fight with 4 new people" it sounds a bit as if you were hoping the DF would put you in a party with 7 experienced guys which would make any fight a piece of cake.
Doing those fights "properly" in DF will never be a real thing, I'm afraid - thats what statics are for...

[JunseiKei]

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Generally speaking, raids and extreme primals are not pick-up-and-go friendly.

[Pink2]

I understand that you'd like to do those fights the proper way, but I doubt a roulette will help here. Doing this the proper way means: Learning the fights all over again.
Doing those fights "properly" in DF will never be a real thing, I'm afraid - thats what statics are for...

I think what you're saying is right, at least on NA data centre. I was naïve.... I thought roulette would work on NA/JP.
NA/JP players are different in many ways. When I was doing it on JP centre, ex primals' failure rate was low even df. I was like "SE should help new(and old.... not many of them though) players who want to do old raids".
When "I" want to do old raids or old extreme primals, I just queue on JP centre....(queue time is long, but that is what it is) Then, how about new players on NA centre? old players don't care about it much I guess (of course they do not have to), but SE should do... in my opinion.

[Pink2]

I dont wanna sound rude but when you say "We cant clear this fight with 4 new people" it sounds a bit as if you were hoping the DF would put you in a party with 7 experienced guys which would make any fight a piece of cake.

What I meant was not that. I said I am ok with trying many times to failure..... and 7 experienced are not needed anyway. just half would be enough. (I learned it from my experienced friend, he said it is clear-able if half of the party know what to do. and I see it works on JP centre.)

(I like to play on NA centre too..... I didn't mean to blame anyone, if someone feel like that, sorry about it in advance!)

[Pink2]

Generally speaking, raids and extreme primals are not pick-up-and-go friendly.

It is not for all. If someone don't want do it, not need to do it. I don't do all roulette when I don't want to. Rewards will bring some experienced players, and that would be enough. (I've just heard that trade mentors also can do mentor roulette. if it is true, mentor roulette shouldn't include ex primals... instead, need old raid/ex primals roulette)