Harassing Healers - or: Please allow Parsers

[Shougun]

Harassing people shouldn't be okay at all lol, but I don't agree with anti-parse arguments ignoring that the first issue shouldn't be something allowed at all.

The issue with parsers is already said and done, people already use them SE already has done everything but install it for you, by not allowing them you make the issue worse. People can't talk to you in a constructive and concise way without fear of getting their account punished meanwhile those who would have been rude to you will have been rude to you anyways, and you wouldn't even have a specific reason why they were rude either because again the account issue.

Not allowing parsers is like wearing shoddy glasses and calling the issue gone, just because the smoke and all the other details are blurry doesn't mean those issues disappeared. We have the issue, it's not going anywhere, at least we could equip everyone with glasses now. I also believe that the anti-parsing arguments help SE to push back the mods they said we'd see ages ago, and while DBM did make the hardest content harder normal content is still fine (they could also not allow that type of mod if they want, but the most popular parser can already do "most" of DBM if someone takes the time to set it up).

Parser damage is already done, we've got the website, the groups kicking you for parse damage, the shame, all the fun, it's time to gain the advantage that parser absolutely do offer (and side features of a popular parse players use and show how to use on youtube, and SE has allowed, are not even parse features and they can help too). They will make it significantly easier to improve, as well again I believe that anti-parsing is part of SE's defense to not adding mods to the game.. and there are a lot of extra UI features I'd love to see (so many awesome WoW mods).

So I'd like to stop having all the fire but none of the coal, and I'd like to push for mods (although again maybe they make a stance on DBM earlier, it probably won't do much to normal content like WoW but it could easily mess with savage).

[caponesavage]

How about a personal parser. Say every dungeon has a set standard calculation for DPS based on class and then you get something that tells you how close or far you are from that standard level. Might at least incentivise people to say to themselves "oh I only did 75% of the damage I could have been doing" and possibly change their playing. I only say possibly because there will always be those that just dont care.

[RaijinSupreme]

lmao people still asking for parsers. lolol.

[bswpayton]

I totally agree with you op time for dpsers only to have a taste of their own medicine

[ErryK]

That's an extremely inaccurate and sweeping statement when considering the points referenced by Storm, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were being very liberal with your choice of words to get your basic point across.

I don't believe it's inaccurate, because I was being subjective. It's my own opinion, because people should be informed, but I believe that's why tooltips are in the game, and it really irks me when the situation mentioned (BRD not singing Foe with 2+ casters) does indeed happen. But I don't make a big deal about it if it happens ingame, I just deal with it. But I can see why you'd have a fault with it, since the person who thinks they're bad obviously needs to know how the job works, etc.

[Ogulbuk]

Personally I try to DPS when I heal, but I got so many gray area encounters with this whole "healers must dps" mentality.

I healed in dungeons that everyone steps all over the mechanics, making it impossible to do anything but keep them alive, tank included, then have these same people point out that I'm not DPSing. Learn to play your roles and maybe then I will have time to do some DPS!

I also have tanked dungeons were the healer is doing DPS, stuck on cleric, and lets me die on tank busters because "Not my job to keep everyone at 100%, it's ok that the tank is at 30% I been told I need to deeeps!"

And at the same time I myself have accidentally gone over my head stance dancing and being locked for a few seconds too long in Cleric, not able to get heals through when an unexpected poop hit the fan.

Honestly, the group loses a lot more DPS to bad DPS players. It's sad to see a tank lecture a healer for not DPSing when the DPS are 1-2-3ing their way through.

[dragonseth07]

Honestly, the group loses a lot more DPS to bad DPS players. It's sad to see a tank lecture a healer for not DPSing when the DPS are 1-2-3ing their way through.

If I could call out the bad DPS without getting banned, I would. As it is now, I have to sit and take it when my Shield Oath PLD is top DPS. It's BS.

[Faliandra]

Im all for parsers, but if they implement it, I doubt its gonna be enough to only show your own dps.
That way, they only see plain meaningless numbers without having any comparison. If my parser shows im doing 800 dps in an Expert run and I have no comparison to what everyone else is doing,
I may just think that this dps is a good average. Theres no real incentive to question it. I bet many wont.


I do have to ask though, are there really that many awful dpsers who explicitely demand the healer to dps?
I always dps as a healer,so I dont know, never happened to me. But I know that, if I join a roulette with a dps class im still practising with, I'd be embarassed to ask a non-dpsing healer to start dpsing.
Cant ask someone to perform harder when my own performance is lacking.

If I could call out the bad DPS without getting banned, I would. As it is now, I have to sit and take it when my Shield Oath PLD is top DPS. It's BS.

I do callout bad dps. Calling them out does not prove that Im using a parser in any way. If dps is super low despite me going all out on healer AoE DPS mode, I can safely assume that at LEAST one dps is doing poorly,probably both though.
If one dps happens to be my friend,whom I know is always doing well and it still seems like stuff is dying slowly, theres literally no one else to blame but the other dps (assuming we are in a 4 man dungeon).
As far as im aware, only specifically mentioning the use of a parser is bannable. Anything else can be easily guessed by other circumstances. (again,talking about 4 man dungeons).

[Zojha]

If I could call out the bad DPS without getting banned, I would. As it is now, I have to sit and take it when my Shield Oath PLD is top DPS. It's BS.

Except that you can "call them out" as much as you can with healers. If you notice a black mage not using Enochian, you can ask them to please use it and the respective skills that come with it. If you notice your ninja not using mudras, you can ask them to please use mudras, and if it's just Fuma and Huton. If you notice your Monk not using positionals, you can ask them to please try to hit them more often. Likewise, if you notice a healer just standing around, you can ask them to please hit cleric stance and throw some Gravities/Malefics out in the meantime.

That isn't forbidden. They might not do it, just as a healer might not DPS, but that's a different topic. At that point, you're dealing with a lost cause and your best bet is to kick if you don't want to carry them.

[Ogulbuk]

If I could call out the bad DPS without getting banned, I would. As it is now, I have to sit and take it when my Shield Oath PLD is top DPS. It's BS.

It's not that hard, if you know their roles, to know that the DRG is not using Phlebotomize or Heavy Thrust. One is a debuff you can see on the boss easily the other is a buff on their buff bar. Those are not even advanced, and I see too many DRG never using either.

Telling the healer to Deeeeeps when the BLM is not using Enochian only tells me that tank does not know anything beyond his own job (and it IS, in my experience, usually the tank that calls out healers for not doing deeps.)