Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[Hirmu]

What you really mean... is 8 DPS and 15 healing related... that's not 50%... and its not a DPS...

Are you serious? I'm gonna try this one more time with you, I don't even know why but here goes. These are all of the WHM abilities:


Pure dps:

Cleric Stance
Holy
Stone
Stone II
Stone III
Aero
Aero II
Aero III
Fluid Aura

Total: 9

Combined dps/healing/crowd control/MP:

Shroud of Saints
Presence of Mind
Assize
Repose

Total: 4

Pure healing/buff:

Divine Seal
Benediction
Stoneskin
Stoneskin II
Cure
Cure II
Cure III
Medica
Medica II
Asylum
Regen
Tetra
Raise
Esuna
Protect

Total: 15

All in all there are 9 + 4 + 15 = 28 abilities. Feel free to use a calculator to verify. 15 abilities are healing abilities. So 15 out of 28. Maybe you should spend more than 2 seconds this time to figure this out.

[Atlaworks]

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I'm not a big WHM person, but wouldn't holy be filed under section 2 as DPS/Crowd Control, given it's stun time? I know a lot of healers who use holy purely for the AoE stun as a form of damage mitigation.

[loreleidiangelo]

I'm not a big WHM person, but wouldn't holy be filed under section 2 as DPS/Crowd Control, given it's stun time? I know a lot of healers who use holy purely for the AoE stun as a form of damage mitigation.

It's also worth noting that Stones 1, 2 and 3 will never be used equivalently to one another; they're tiers of one same move and aren't cast as 3 separate abilities on a mob like Aero/II/III. Lumping PoM and Shroud as part of a greater total towards DPS moves is also disingenuous, IMO - better to just remove that category from the total outright. In return we'll dump Stoneskin II off the healing list as it's redundant, leaving us with 14 healing moves out of 22 total - fairly higher than 50% as originally stated.

[Kaurie]

It's also worth noting that Stones 1, 2 and 3 will never be used equivalently to one another; they're tiers of one same move and aren't cast as 3 separate abilities on a mob like Aero/II/III. Lumping PoM and Shroud as part of a greater total towards DPS moves is also disingenuous, IMO - better to just remove that category from the total outright. In return we'll dump Stoneskin II off the healing list as it's redundant, leaving us with 14 healing moves out of 22 total - fairly higher than 50% as originally stated.

The number of moves is kind of irrelevant. If I have 30 moves, and I cast 3 DPS moves and 1 healing move in a pull, who cares that 15 of the unused moves were healing?

[loreleidiangelo]

The number of moves is kind of irrelevant. If I have 30 moves, and I cast 3 DPS moves and 1 healing move in a pull, who cares that 15 of the unused moves were healing?

Idk, two other dudes were making the argument and I just pointed out inaccuracies. I think the debate was something about the precision of the whole "why would you ignore 50% of your abilities" statement or something like that. DPSing moves obviously aren't that involved with healer kits or else I might not be so bored doing it, haha. But the problem isn't the number of moves, it's just straight-up healer design, so I agree with you there.