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  1. #1
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by Arutan View Post
    Then what about let people play their main role first and then they may play a bit of another role that isn't their if they feel like to? Stop being an elitist.
    What do you mean with "elitist" in this context? Is it "elitist" to expect players to use all of their useful abilities, instead of only picking a selection of them? Is it "elitist" to expect Bards to use their songs to boost their party members' DPS and give them MP and TP when needed, in addition to their "main role" which is DPS? Is it "elitist" to expect an off tank to take part in fights and do DPS instead of just standing still afk while there's no adds to tank? Is it "elitist" to ask for a BLM to use their fire spells if they'd prefer only being an ice mage?

    I personally expect all party members to do their best to meaningfully participate in advancing the group's goals. Being afk or using your least effective abilities (healing or buffing when neither is required, only casting ice spells when you could use fire rotation, refusing to sing as a BRD while your party could use your song buffs) in any given situation is not meaningful participation. If that makes me an "elitist", then I'll gladly accept that title.
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    Last edited by Taika; 03-13-2017 at 08:07 PM.

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    Pomelo Elmbrook
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    What do you mean with "elitist" in this context? Is it "elitist" to expect players to use all of their useful abilities, instead of only picking a selection of them? Is it "elitist" to expect Bards to use their songs to boost their party members' DPS and give them MP and TP when needed, in addition to their "main role" which is DPS? Is it "elitist" to expect an off tank to take part in fights and do DPS instead of just standing still afk while there's no adds to tank?
    Totally agree, there are some MEGA lazy players in this community.
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    Drae Wellenbrecher
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    Is it "elitist" to expect Bards to use their songs to boost their party members' DPS and give them MP and TP when needed, in addition to their "main role" which is DPS? Is it "elitist" to expect an off tank to take part in fights and do DPS instead of just standing still afk while there's no adds to tank? Is it "elitist" to ask for a BLM to use their fire spells if they'd prefer only being an ice mage?
    Now your exemple of the ice BLM is anything but a good example because fire is their main rotation while heal doesn't have a rotation while healing.
    For tanks I don't get your point 'cause their DPS is mixed with their tank combo.
    BRD has always been a support job. This role just doesn't exist as official in MMO. Why do you think Healers are classified as Heal instead of DPS?
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by Arutan View Post
    Now your exemple of the ice BLM is anything but a good example because fire is their main rotation while heal doesn't have a rotation while healing.
    For tanks I don't get your point 'cause their DPS is mixed with their tank combo.
    BRD has always been a support job. This role just doesn't exist as official in MMO. Why do you think Healers are classified as Heal instead of DPS?
    My point was, all of the jobs in this game are meant to be played in a way that they're using their most useful abilities in any given situation. For an off tank in an extreme fight, for example, this means tanking adds in tank stance while there are adds to tank, focusing on enmity and defensive cooldowns, then switching to DPS stance and focusing on as much DPS as possible on the boss while there are no tanking duties. For a healer, it means keeping everyone alive and then when there's no healing (or buffing) required, helping your party with DPS. For a BRD or MCH it means buffing your party when needed, but focusing on pushing as much DPS when it isn't. All jobs should be played in a way that you're helping your party as much as possible, and for healers, DPS is a major part of that.

    And healers are classified as healers, because they are the ones with the healing skills. Just like tanks are classified as tanks because they have the highest enmity and defensive potency. That doesn't mean healers or tanks shouldn't push as much DPS as possible while there's room for that, and sometimes it's in fact the best way for them to participate. If there's two tanks in a duty that doesn't have anything for an off tank to tank, should that off tank just afk unless the main tank dies? No. And if the healing requirements aren't high enough to require 100% healing, then the healer(s) should likewise participate with DPS instead.
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    Last edited by Taika; 03-13-2017 at 08:27 PM.

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    Rubiss Tantegel
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Nah as a Bard your role says DPS. You're not there to use any non-damaging skill, right? The rest of your kit doesn't matter. DPS is DPS. That's all you must do. Are we having fun playing our classes yet?
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