Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[Belhi]

YoshiP is so out of touch with his own game he doesn't even realize that Diadem gear beats Anima even without substats, so I wouldn't pay much attention to his opinion on healing. If he wanted healers to only heal, why would his team make content so easy that you can solo heal it? I'm talking about A12S by the way, or Zurvan EX.

Actually from what I have seen of the theory crafting an Anima weapon will be better unless the Diadem one has optimal stats. I am pretty sure he never actually said substats don't count. The difference though is relatively minor either way. Personally I prefer the Anima still simply because trying to rely on RNG to get a weapon sounds terrible.

As to healing, I can get where he is coming from cause it is an unintended design outcome but they are kind of stuck with it now. Healers were made too powerful from the start and mechanically healing is pretty simple so healers tend to have a lot of down time. I have way more downtime as a healer in FF14 than I do in any other MMO.

At least dpsing gives you something to do. That said healer dps rotations are extremely boring. I would probably prefer it was all one way or all the other. The only reason dps for healers is a serious thing is because the healing design and balance is lacking. Still, in 90% of content it really doesn't matter much if the healers dps or not. At best it saves a few of minutes a day from instanced runs.

[Reiryuu]

...Why is there so many topics on the healer's DPS these days? oO

Because people are whiny and for some reason just have to inflict their opinion on the rest of the world.

[Blazinhart]

I'm só tired of this "crucifying healers" kind of thread that even I being a healer who dps whenever I can, is making me wanna quit healing and I wish, hope, pray, that when SB is released, the number of healers go to almost none, that boring hardcore people who think that even the producer of the game is wrong and should follow their point of view, will stop complaining about healers.

[Mycow8me]

The one you just made.

I reiterate, your food usage standard wouldn't exempt healers, thus it's a completely irrelevant argument. It also doesn't address the actual criticism people have towards heal only healers: that they aren't equally contributing. No one is demanding anyone optimize and perform their select role perfectly. They simply want to see an effort put forth. At this current time, content is too undertuned, which leads to healers having frequent amounts of downtime. I recently did Sohm Al Hard and opened with Divine Seal + Regen + Asylum on the tank once she grab everything. Despite having six mobs attacking her, I had to cast Cure II once in roughly 15-20 seconds. Am I to stand around doing nothing because that's precise what would happen if I only healed.

Did you ever stop to think that current content tuning may have been in large part due to the mentality and Healer DPS meta created by people like you who think its irrelevant to bring DPS food to increase DPS or even dodge AOES cuz that may alienate their ability to dps for a few seconds but at the same time think its relevant for healers to DPS.

Every single time one of these thread comes up the argument seems solely based on dungeon content. Oh look you brought up a dungeon scenario. Ok I'm sorry the healer didn't shave off 5 minutes of your run time. Its 5 minutes of your life you can't get back. I'm really sorry for you that your playing a game you enjoy so much that you cant stand a healer not saving you 5 minutes.

I've about lost it with these millennials and their ways. You want efficiency but at the same time don't even care if you are a part of the problem.

At some point you got to ask yourself do you even enjoy this game anymore or are you going to pick it apart, dissect it and find everything that you think is wrong or someone else is doing wrong even though at the end of the day you still beat the dungeon/raid. I don't get you ppl anymore.

[Reiryuu]

I'm só tired of this "crucifying healers" kind of thread that even I being a healer who dps whenever I can, is making me wanna quit healing and I wish, hope, pray, that when SB is released, the number of healers go to almost none, that boring hardcore people who think that even the producer of the game is wrong and should follow their point of view, will stop complaining about healers.

I whole-heartedly agree. I almost want to switch to RDM or SAM not only because of this, but also because the reason YoshiP gave for not giving us a tank/healer class felt like a slap in the face. Hell tanks even get more mounts, but no healer mounts =/

[Derio]

They can choose to play however they want. If they want to dps, thats ok. If they want to just sit back and heal, thats ok too

[BigRed5392]

DPS is only there for damage. Why should they be burdened with having to dodge and lower their own DPS?

Tanks are only there to hold aggro and mitigate damage. Why should they be able to swap stances and do damage?

To the healers that only heal:

Go play SCH with auto Eos and run any dungeon. Tell me how much fun you're having.

except you are missing the part where it was stated multiple times that content isn't made with healer dps in mind. So this analogy isn't correct.

Kinda wish these topics would stop, as all this does is divide the player base and showcase how rude and cut throat people are.

You are free to have an opinion, but you can't force it on others.

If you want healers who dps and tanks who stance dance, make pre formed group. being rude to groups in df isn't the way to go, and is just a form of harassment.

Someone not meeting an arbitrary standard of yours isn't being lazy, you're just trying to force an opinion on them.

I say we keep this mentality in preformed savage raid content as you do need to have top performance. Content outside of that doesn't require it, in fact as i stated no content does, yoshida said so himself, and comes from much more hardcore mmo then ff14.

I've been in df runs with the tank stance dancing, and healer doing more dps then healing. I've been in df runs with the tank, just tanking and the healer just healing.

Runs were not magically faster or slower. And dps were doing good dps, im on ps4 so no parser. It is the role of the dps to dps, rag on them if the run is slow.

[Azure51]

I'm só tired of this "crucifying healers" kind of thread that even I being a healer who dps whenever I can, is making me wanna quit healing and I wish, hope, pray, that when SB is released, the number of healers go to almost none, that boring hardcore people who think that even the producer of the game is wrong and should follow their point of view, will stop complaining about healers.

I have to agree with you I also main healer and I think healer can dps if they want they don't need to be forced on dpsing,

[Knahli]

Healers who don't DPS because they don't trust their abilities to switch to healing again in time lack confidence. This is perfectly fine.
Healers who don't DPS because they don't know the fight well enough lack experience with that particular instance. This is perfectly fine.
Healers who don't DPS because they are tired, are talking over a shell or two - or simply aren't focused - are unmotivated. This is perfectly fine, in moderation.
Healers who don't DPS because they find the additional responsibility a bit overwhelming for their personal level of skill and ability are not aiming for excellence. This is perfectly fine.

Healers who don't DPS ever because they just cannot be bothered and would be much happier jumping mindlessly between heals or anything like that are debatably obnoxious and self-centred. This is arguably fine, but party members are well within their right to reserve or even express distaste towards it.


These are the only facts of the matter and quite frankly. You can't judge a random off one one single run because you have no idea where their head is at or how they are feeling. A healer that's not DPS'ing could fit into any of the above categories and you'd have no idea because you can only go off first impressions. The argument is tiring as there is no other way about it. Most healers admit to not DPS'ing simply because they are not comfortable with it. You can feel frustrated over that all you want but it's obnoxious to expect any more of them if they are not hindering the run to extreme levels.


(Note: 'You' is a general phrasing.)

[Kit-Kat]

They can choose to play however they want. If they want to dps, thats ok. If they want to just sit back and heal, thats ok too

While I respect people's opinions on it, that's kinda the point. Healing in this game is so scripted that you have a lot of free time, standing still doing nothing (not only talking about raid). When I was leveling tanks I've seen it really often, when you get those newbie dps that are learning rotations, or their gear is outdated and then you see a lv60 healer that just stands still as I barely take dmg. It could help the dungeon end faster. And that's another point on this healer dps topic. Dungeons in this game aren't run for fun. Maybe your first time, your second time? for exploration. But when you run them over and over again, you want those to be done asap so you can just into next farm. Even if it just makes a run be minutes shorter, it adds up.
I personally hate dpsing as a healer, yet I do it for the sake of effectiveness. If it makes me get out of a dungeon faster, then I will do it. Not dpsing as a healer even having the time/tools to do it is like the argument of not using cooldowns as a tank, making the healers job harder, even though you're the healer so it doesn't matter because you just have to heal and if you don't keep that tank alive it's your job/problem, right? Or dps that can have support cross class like Eye for an eye, virus for physical attacks and not using them on tank busters or big physical attacks to make your healer's job easier and overall a smoother run for everyone.