Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

[Bartel]

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Wow, you made a poor counter argument based off your opinions of what new players will do. Clearly that means the thread is over!

...Sorry, I should probably clarify that as sarcasm before you go touting yourself as the champion of the forums.

[JackDaniels]

There's a common mental deficiency with rabid fan-boys. I'ts not their fault, just lacking a chromosome or something.

[Zanfire]

Here's the purpose:

If, say only 10,000 people pay $12.99 / month, SE gets $129,900 / month.

If, say 30,000 people would pay $6.50 / month, SE would get $195,000 / month. Yeah that's right. Lower subscription, but still more money. And hey, there's more players too. That ought to help spread the word, wouldn't you think?

These are just theoretical numbers, but it demonstrates how a lower price could bring in even more money. That's the whole point. The whole point of this entire thread.

It's not about thumbs-up, thumbs-down. I don't know why in world you keep bringing it back to that over and over. It's about making the most money possible by considering a discount. This is the purpose.

And if you'd like me to point out WHY the game isn't in a polished state, here goes:

The UI is still somewhat laggy. Commands are not always instant, it is not customizable in the slightest, I can only have 1 action bar visible, and playing on a keyboard with the UI is insanely cumbersome.

There is INSANE lag in Uldah if you try to change gear or want to talk to an NPC. It takes them almost a full minute to load for me sometimes (I'm running an I-7 OC'd comp, 8gb RAM, 2gb ATI 5870 graphics card... my comp isn't the issue).
There is also still lag when swapping stuff to a retainer or buying/selling.

The graphics are clearly not optimized. There is still screen tearing during movement, and the game still bogs down occasionally at 30 or 60 fps.

The job system still has YET to be implemented.

Occasionally starting a leve will just crash the game. Has happened to me 3-4x recently, and others I know as well.

There are a TOTAL of 3 dungeons and 2 endgame activities... after a year. Compare to any other game on the market.

There is no functional party search feature, and no good LS utilities.

The targeting, while improved, is still insanely annoying at times and VERY hard to work with on a PC.

The sidequests, while nice, are still far too few and all of them are basically kill X amount of Y or fetch quests.

Really, I could keep going but I won't. Even with ALL THESE PROBLEMS, I still enjoy the game. However, I'm not naive enough to think this game is worth a full price monthly fee. I would certainly pay half price for it, as that is where I see the game... about halfway there. I don't expect a free ride and I'm glad SE is starting to charge... but charging full price is something I'm not willing to do, and I think a lot of other people won't be either.

There's your reasoning. Yes I know some of this will be fixed in 1.20, but most of it will not.

@amy: thats exactly what this was about and it is very valid for many reasons....which is stated by Bartel here, and that just some of the many problems. Have you ever heard of an MMO that CAN NOT do a mail system because the coding is so bad? i sure havent. Its just lists of issues why plenty of people can not justify paying full price for it now, when they know in 1 year 99% of the issues will be gone/fixed.

As for the pay or gtfo bit, well if your desprate for the populations to drop to almost nothing and for as little money as possible to get to SE, then keep saying this, because very likely its what will result from it.

[Answa]

And who is holding the gun to your head making you stay in here arguing with people like a pre-pubescent teen in an angst-filled fit?

Seriously, instead of touting on your high horse in a thread where people want to express their discontent, why don't you leave the thread and leave everyone else to their vices? The ToS does not state you have to sit on the forums and argue with people you disagree with.

Edit:
My cowbell is greater than your cowbell.

Fun part is that everything everyone's said has been repeated. so the opinions have decidedly become a bandwagon. And did you read the first paragraph at all? Why did you decide to answer to the humorous part and not the one that actually makes sense? Because everyone likes to gnash their teeth rather than debate.

Pre-pubescent teen... meh. Go ahead with your totally wrong judgments.

Wow, you made a poor counter argument based off your opinions of what new players will do. Clearly that means the thread is over!

...Sorry, I should probably clarify that as sarcasm before you go touting yourself as the champion of the forums.

The thread isn't over because of my post. The thread has been for the past 40 pages. Everything both sides are saying is just an echo of posts past.

[Bartel]

The thread isn't over because of my post. The thread has been over the past 40 posts. Everything both sides are saying is just an echo of posts past.

Sorry buddy, last I checked you don't decide when a thread is over. Several people asked for a list of why the game is only 50% done, I provided a list. Heck, I didn't even throw in things like lack of an AH, mail system, housing, the ability to trade more than 4 items, copy pasta maps, etc...

The bottom line is, I love the direction this game is heading and the potential it has is crazy high. However, I'm not going to spend my money on potential. If you want to, great. But don't try and tell me I'm wrong for thinking its silly to pay full price for a half finished game.

[JackDaniels]

Round and round we go

Here's to another 42 pages of derp :P

[Answa]

Sorry buddy, last I checked you don't decide when a thread is over. Several people asked for a list of why the game is only 50% done, I provided a list. Heck, I didn't even throw in things like lack of an AH, mail system, housing, the ability to trade more than 4 items, copy pasta maps, etc...

The bottom line is, I love the direction this game is heading and the potential it has is crazy high. However, I'm not going to spend my money on potential. If you want to, great. But don't try and tell me I'm wrong for thinking its silly to pay full price for a half finished game.

Could you please, please, please stop making me sound like a pretentious douche that decides things for other people? I'm not. I'm not trying to convince you to pay. I'm not telling you to stop posting. All I'm saying is that everything that can be said has been said and that further posting is pointless. No side will convince the other.

The one thing I'd like to take the time to say now is, JD: Pot. Kettle. Black.

[JackDaniels]

JD: Pot. Kettle. Black.

pretentious douche

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[Rentahamster]

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C'mon now, that's not nice. Debate the subject properly.

[Dowen]

C'mon now, that's not nice. Debate the subject properly.

please do debate properly. Renta seems prety mature.