I280 weapons were a mistake

[Kosmos992k]

**snip**
It doesn't break the game. It doesn't invalidate any relic. It doesn't stop Heavy metal weapons from being moderately impressive to see. It's just a new piece of content that happens to be after both a raid tier and a relic phase. It's the closest thing to horizontal progression we have, yet it's still vertical! Maybe we'd call it diagonal?

Either way, I don't see any issue with the weapons.

Indeed.

Horizontal? Vertical? Nope, Diagonal. I nearly posted something similar the other day about diagonal progression in FFXIV and separating the vertical progression from the more diagonal progression of non-raid/non-endgame players.

[Lunafreya]

How is anima not effort?!? Stage five required 60-80 umbrite, each costing 300 Lore. Do you think I just pulled that 18,000-24,000 Lore out of my backside? You say it's just waiting. Did I have to wait for the Lore fairy to flutter down and give it to me? Because I may be crazy, but I seem to recall running the ARF until my eyeballs bled. That...takes effort. Seventh phase required running content for condensation. I don't recall just waiting and letting people carry me through A1S farming. No, I put effort in.

Anime doesn't require effort, just waiting? Guessing you never made one.

It's ok. I feel the exact same way and will not even put my finger on a relic in 4.0 if SE keeps treating us badly like this.

[Xerek]

I said it before, but I will say it again. I could have gone with Script/Warring Triad/Kinna weapons. 1/1000th the work, only slightly less powerful then the anima. I started the anima because once completed it was supposed to be the best until Stormblood, the same way the relic was the best until Heavensward. We were given no warning about this i180 uber-weapon. So we thought we were finally finished, holding our anima that took years and could just enjoy our BIS weapons until SB, just like relic owners did before HW. And then without any warning, just nine days later, the anima is suddenly second best.

Yes, I feel SE misled me any many others. If I had known there would be RNG god-weapons released less the two weeks after the anima was done I would never have started one.

[Canadane]

Indeed.

Horizontal? Vertical? Nope, Diagonal. I nearly posted something similar the other day about diagonal progression in FFXIV and separating the vertical progression from the more diagonal progression of non-raid/non-endgame players.

It really does feel like the best way to describe this. Glad I'm not alone!

[birdy_reene]

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Anime doesn't require effort, just waiting? Guessing you never made one.

I have the blm relic. Why for glamour because I knew it was gonna be invalidated soon. It was a predictble outcome. You cry to much. If you're unsubbing go away. You SHOULD have expected this, the raid cycles always almost always when it comes to content, go casual, raid, primal, catchup/crafter, raid rinse-n-repeat. The relic just gets tossed in randomly through out those cycles. Its happened to every relic. How did you not see it coming. Also its a game. If a weapon that's rng based, that's primary n secondary stats are so rng based that it can very well end up weaker than a 250 weapon upsets you this much. You do need a break/new hobby. The Relic always gets pooped on. always. I laughed so hard when I seen ppl grinding lore. I knew your carrot was gonna be moldy before you got to catch it n fully enjoy it,

[Vaer]

To be fair this is somewhat new territory, they have never completely invalidated raid gear/cap ilvl until a new raid tier or expansion is released. They've followed a very rigid progression system since 2.0 so this is kind of new even though it's just the weapon slot. (Maybe they are planning to take a hatchet to everyone's 270 gear too?) Everyone that has played for a while knows they replace gear eventually, just the timing of this one is odd and not normal going by past systems.

Yeah it's rare and layers of RNG, but I wouldn't give SE the idea they get a free pass because it has a low drop rate. Eureka might end up full of lockbox RNG progression systems.

[Xerek]

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Um...were you even around for the relic weapon in 2.x? It wasn't outdated in nine days. It was BiS upon completion up until HW launched. But glad to know you were laughing at people who were putting work into the anima expecting the same because SE gave us no reason to believe otherwise. Says something.

[birdy_reene]

Um...were you even around for the relic weapon in 2.x? It wasn't outdated in nine days. It was BiS upon completion up until HW launched. But glad to know you were laughing at people who were putting work into the anima expecting the same because SE gave us no reason to believe otherwise. Says something.

ARR is ireelivant, your relic through HW which is your current relic, got pooped on with every primal patch, and crafter gear patch.

Edit: you had no reason to believe otherwise? think by seph ex you would of gotten the hint. They did a pretty good job of stealing relic makers glory over n over again.

[birdy_reene]

Reinha said it best "It's 102 days until the expansion is released. Assuming exactly one weapon drops for 72 people and assuming you manage to successfully complete the emergency mission once per day every day and don't care which weapon drops (even if it's for a job that isn't 60 yet), then your chance of obtaining at least one weapon before Stormblood is

1 - (1 - (1/72))^102
= 1 - (1 - 0.0138888889)^102
= 1 - 0.9861111111^102
= 1 - 0.2401247539
= 0.7598752461
= 76%

where 102 is the number of successful kills and 1/72 is the drop chance. 1/(72 x 13) = 1/936 would be the drop chance for a specific weapon."

and then on top of it, both its primary and secondary stats are rng based, with a very good potential for it to be 280 in name only cause ive seen a lot of 280 weapons already that have stats that don't even compare to a 250 weapon. Your literally having a tantrum over the fact that maybe 3 or 4 at best are going to have something better than you.

[Xerek]

See prior response. If I wanted a very good weapon, I would have gone with Triad/Kinna/Script weapons. The only reason I put the work into the anima was because it was supposed to be the best at the end, until SB. And then, just nine days after completion, it's not. I do not have a BiS weapon up until SB, I have a very good one. See the second sentence regarding very good.