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  1. #11
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    Valmaxian's Avatar
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    Jase Shepard
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    Malboro
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Just putting this (back) on the table: we still need to draw those OP Balance cards that have everyone in uproar. They don't grow on trees. I understand that it's caused AST to be absolutely bonkers when those flashy orange cards do pop up, but during those encounters when I don't draw well, I'd much rather have a more reliable ability. Like Assize. The best spell in the game.
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  2. #12
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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valmaxian View Post
    Just putting this (back) on the table: we still need to draw those OP Balance cards that have everyone in uproar. They don't grow on trees. I understand that it's caused AST to be absolutely bonkers when those flashy orange cards do pop up, but during those encounters when I don't draw well, I'd much rather have a more reliable ability. Like Assize. The best spell in the game.
    Assize COULD be the best spell in the game.
    It's good for DPS but that's all. It can't be relied on as a aoe insta heal because you need it for your abysmal MP restoration. Speaking of that, 10% of your MP restored is crazy low. To top it off, it's on CD way too long of a CD to be used strategically. Kinda like Benediction.

    The concept is very good though. A heal that also acts as a DPS nuke. It's something I hope we see on WHM more often.
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  3. #13
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    A_Hortensia's Avatar
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    Arista Hortensia
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Well excuu~se me!

    I think WHM is just fine where we're at and I'd greatly appreciate it if you spoony ASTs would stop assuming that you're suddenly the better job because you finally moved into the SCH and WHM gated community. Check your privilege.

    You don't want to live in a world where they buff White Mage.
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  4. #14
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    KDSilver's Avatar
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    Scholar has all he needs with his two fairies. A 3rd would be too much.

    The mistake made Square Enix with Astrologian is to make a copycat (almost) of the White Mage.

    Now, if you give White Mage buff pour the party => White Mage will win cause high healing burst + buff the party.
    However, with the current skills they have, if the battle can be easily healed with an astrologian, well as well as take the healer who buff the party.

    It hurts me to say this like this but cause I love astrologian as it is now, but the best way to make the 3 healer equal in term of utility without letting someone aside would be to rework astrologian so that he has his really own unique playstyle (exept cards).
    Cause right now, I really don't see how they could change it =/

    On an other topic, Assize is probably one of the best skill among healers cause you do what you want with it and it also give you mp back.
    It depends on the battle, you might want to keep it for some heavy raid damages that needs to be healed quickly.
    Makes me think about A6S on the last robot when he casts supercyclone. We get knocked back and at the same moment, the water debuff explose. It definitely need aoe heal or a good precast or people will die.
    That's a good example where assize could be great (but Scholar could do it with Indom, that's what i was doing since i was with an astrologian who didn't have lightspeed at this moment).
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    Last edited by KDSilver; 03-10-2017 at 05:13 PM.

  5. #15
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    CafPow's Avatar
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    S'ikaya Grim
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    It hurts me to say this like this but cause I love astrologian as it is now, but the best way to make the 3 healer equal in term of utility without letting someone aside would be to rework astrologian so that he has his really own unique playstyle (exept cards).
    Cause right now, I really don't see how they could change it =/
    this
    it's one of two things
    AST is a weak WHM with Cards
    WHM is a weak AST without Cards

    there seems to be no ... middle way. Give AST a bit Stronger Heals? "BUT CAAARDS!"
    Nerv AST Heals? "yeah lol it's a little WHM with Cards" ...
    doesn't matter how you turn it, it's always meh.
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  6. #16
    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    Balance 20% isn't used that much you know.

    10% on the whole party is better actually.
    And everyone like it.
    In 8-man content, yes, because of the numbers of people. In 4-man content, extended 20% balance is optimal.
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  7. #17
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    Mirchea Luslec
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    If we look back in Final Fantasy series, White Mage could have things like Haste, Reraise/Auto-Life, Slow,NullElements, Reflect... and so on.
    OMG please yes reflect on pvp :3 haste yes please, slow omg yes please: pushback->bind->sleep->slow->heavy->stun->repeat
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  8. #18
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    Imbri Undinare
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    Kujata
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Well, with the new changes being made to this role system, we are likely to see:

    - WHM will lose Protect and Cleric Stance to the new "Role Skills" thing they're implementing.
    - Raise and Esuna based skills are probably going to be merged into this as well like Rampart/Shadowskin are.

    This means WHM is likely going to get some skills to fill in the holes that these skills are going to be leaving. What would be nice? Maybe something like Dia from FFXI-- light based DoT that lowered enemy armor? Something like Blink where shadows will absorb x number of basic attacks and AoEs would wipe all shadows off? Reraise- autoraise if you die once 5m or so recast? Raise II-- long recast, full heal + MP and no weakness? Hell, I would even take some debuffs or something to toss out so long as they don't cost me an arm and a leg in MP.
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  9. #19
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    S'ikaya Grim
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    Shiva
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Well, with the new changes being made to this role system, we are likely to see:

    - WHM will lose Protect and Cleric Stance to the new "Role Skills" thing they're implementing.
    - Raise and Esuna based skills are probably going to be merged into this as well like Rampart/Shadowskin are.

    This means WHM is likely going to get some skills to fill in the holes that these skills are going to be leaving. What would be nice? Maybe something like Dia from FFXI-- light based DoT that lowered enemy armor? Something like Blink where shadows will absorb x number of basic attacks and AoEs would wipe all shadows off? Reraise- autoraise if you die once 5m or so recast? Raise II-- long recast, full heal + MP and no weakness? Hell, I would even take some debuffs or something to toss out so long as they don't cost me an arm and a leg in MP.
    why would you think WHM loses CS / Protect?
    it's just available for all, also for WHM...
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  10. #20
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    Imbri Undinare
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    Kujata
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by CafPow View Post
    why would you think WHM loses CS / Protect?
    it's just available for all, also for WHM...
    Yoshida has said that these "Role Skills" are not going to be tied to any one class. Thus, you can get protect as Scholar without ever leveling conjurer (not that you'd have to level it very far). If that is the case, CS and Protect will no longer be "Conjurer" skills but "Healer Role Skills" meaning WHM essentially loses them to this new Role System.

    Edit: That is my understanding of this new system at any rate. It'll be hard to tell until we get more info.
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